Originally posted by Dolos
I was just asking PR who he thinks is more powerful altogether.Either he's fickle, or he's just a Thor guy.
Anyway Thor's hardest Mjlnor slam<Superman IMP.
Thor is neither as fast nor as physically strong as Superman.
I'm neither. I do think Superman would win, just not that it would be easy.
Originally posted by Dolos
And yet Superman actually go intangible.
Magic tends to be a great equalizer.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm neither. I do think Superman would win, just not that it would be easy.Magic tends to be a great equalizer.
So you're saying he could pull off a win in the minority of comic confrontations.
I think if they battled enough times, Superman would start getting a hang of what to do, and because of his intrinsic ability to mutate more powers, you'd see a pattern of Superman winning more fights the more they'd match up.
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Originally posted by Dolos
So you're saying he could pull off a win in the minority of comic confrontations.I think if they battled enough times, Superman would start getting a hang of what to do, and because of his intrinsic ability to mutate more powers, you'd see a pattern of Superman winning more fights the more they'd match up.
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Put the pipe down.
Originally posted by Dolos
My bad.Yet the Hulk has beaten Thor despite hardly having versatility, and Superman has better versatility than Thor I believe.
Superman is very versatile.
Thor can manipulate energy -and- pull anything out of his ass through magic.
I don't recall Hulk taking any fights where Thor had Mjolnir 🙂
Thor is mainly a warrior.
Superman's powers extend beyond any fodder magic Thor can apply efficiently to combat. Magic wouldn't save Captain Marvel against a serious Superman either.
Originally posted by curryman
I don't recall Hulk taking any fights where Thor had Mjolnir 🙂
It happened rather recently actually.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Put the pipe down.
Superman is smarter, more perceptive - characteristically. He also can remember everything he's experienced at once. What he lacks in combat skill he makes up for in power levels and retention, his ability to know exactly what to do to overcome Hunter Prey Doomsday without wearing himself out like in Death of Superman, by emulating the Flash's ability. Superman's powers can be greatly increased, and new ones can be developed through mutations, A/S Superman really explains why this is.
Only Doctor Strange, the Silver Surfer, and Solar are mainstream superheroes that could be too difficult for him to overcome normally. Until he gets a little too close to the sun that is.
All-Star Superman isn't canon.
And yes, Superman does have an practically perfect sense of memory and boasts great intelligence. But he doesn't spontaneously develop new mutations in the midst of combat. You're making it seem like the guy's a Pokemon or something.
And really? "Fodder" magic? Thor's mid-tiered magic based attacks would be troublesome for Superman, let alone his higher end stuff. Even if you think Superman would win in the end, it wouldn't be a cakewalk.
And per your own ABC logic a while ago - Superman can beat Hulk, who has beat Thor, therefore Superman should beat Thor - I find it baffling that you think Silver Surfer would pose a greater threat to Superman when Thor's historically always fared better against Norrin than vice versa.
Strange is pretty much the epitome of glass cannon in comic books as well. Him taking out Superman is just as likely as Superman flexing his muscles at him and making him faint.
Someone needs to photoshop a Superman pokemon.
Originally posted by Dolos
So you're saying he could pull off a win in the minority of comic confrontations.I think if they battled enough times, Superman would start getting a hang of what to do, and because of his intrinsic ability to mutate more powers, you'd see a pattern of Superman winning more fights the more they'd match up.
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Superman can't mutate more powers. his powerset might be dynamic in terms of strength and energy output, but that's as far as it goes.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
[B]All-Star Superman isn't canon.
For post-crisis.
How isn't it?
And yes, Superman does have an practically perfect sense of memory and boasts great intelligence. But he doesn't spontaneously develop new mutations in the midst of combat. You're making it seem like the guy's a Pokemon or something.
Not 'in the midst'.
But if a Kryptonian's powerset isn't the result of mutations from yellow sunlight, and Kryptonians aren't intelligent enough to alter the randomness of said mutations, then how do you explain the fact that Hel has his powerset plus psionic abilities as well as telekinesis? Kryptonians have more abilities than you might believe.
And really? "Fodder" magic? Thor's mid-tiered magic based attacks would be troublesome for Superman, let alone his higher end stuff.
I'd imagine as much as Captain Marvel's are.
Originally posted by Dolos
For post-crisis.How isn't it?
I'd imagine as much as Captain Marvel's are.
It's a self-contained story, essentially Grant Morrison's love letter to the superhero genre, specifically Superman. It's no more canon than All-Star Batman and Robin (LOL that story is a trainwreck, but that's off topic).
Well, you'd imagine wrong. The Power of Shazam, specifically Shazam! bolts are powerful, but they aren't beyond the likes of what Thor can and has produced. Cap's also way more limited in terms of magical offense than Thor is.
Originally posted by Dolos
Not 'in the midst'.But if a Kryptonian's powerset isn't the result of mutations from yellow sunlight, and Kryptonians aren't intelligent enough to alter the randomness of said mutations, then how do you explain the fact that Hel has his powerset plus psionic abilities as well as telekinesis? Kryptonians have more abilities than you might believe.
H'el is an anomoly. Perhaps even more so than Superman himself. And even so, assuming Superman has the potential to "evolve" his powerset - taking a cue from the Golden Superman Prime of the Superman Dynasty, here - that means zilch in terms of a fight unless we're giving him untold amount of time to bask in the sun or perhaps go find a blue sun.
And to that end, it makes as much sense and is as valid as arguing that Thor's power set, namely his divinity, enables him to inherit the Odin Force over time or in specific instances.