Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
At least you aren't pretending there was any physical aspect to it and the shattering of the world was simply a metaphor.The time stream was affected, but it was their own personal histories, not the time stream.
And it was also in large part due to the circumstances of Infinite Crisis. In this case, the writer clarified it to be a result of them being Universal counterparts.
On panel it says that their fight is shattering the boundaries of time and space, that every time they connect they are sent to each other's stories, living their lives. That was happening on earth 2, on earth one apparently there was a time flux every time they landed a punch.
I have not read Geoff Johns interview, but according to the DC TPB it says
"To save the woman He loves, this Man of Steel must break his bonds and bend reality to what He think is right"
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElDon't be obtuse. The red sunlight hadn't even creeped up on them until after he had already been punching them. If you'd like to continue insinuating that Superman Prime was somehow weakened before they even reached Krypton's solar system, then go ahead and pick any # of other times Superman Prime (stronger than Kal-L) has beat on Kal-El.
When? when they were about to reach Krypton?Two punches from SBP? That is what you are calling slugging?
Yes, punching someone is slugging. I'll forgive your poor grasp of the English language here rather than accuse you of intentionally being moronic whilst trying to salvage a non-feat that has already warranted a mod ruling.
Get the phuck out.
Look at your statement
Originally posted by ODG
Only Kryptonians? It's fortuitous that you mention them. Because a stronger Superman Prime in a wilder punchfest with Kal-L and Kal-El didn't achieve any sort of timestream busting when the DC Multiverse was compressed into a single, stable New Earth universe.
So, somehow TWO measly punches is a "wilder punchfest"?
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Originally posted by Rao Kal ElI stand by it. 👆
Get the phuck out.Look at your statement
So, somehow TWO measly punches is a "wilder punchfest"?
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Along with the other "wilder punchfests" Superman Prime (stronger than Kal-L) has gotten into with Kal-El after the DC Multiverse stabilized and nothing happened.
But by all means, let's take my use of the English language in throwaway comments to task. The irony might break the internet. kinda
Originally posted by ODG
I stand by it. 👆Along with the other "wilder punchfests" Superman Prime (stronger than Kal-L) has gotten into with Kal-El after the DC Multiverse stabilized and nothing happened.
But by all means, let's take my use of the English language in throwaway comments to task. The irony might break the internet. kinda
Right!
Ok now, I get it that in that little world of yours, Two measly punches is = to a "wilder punch fest"
If your head were not too much inside your @ss you will notice that I have acknowledge that feat has context, but it was only achieved by Kryptonians, I understand you might think you are the all mighty English reader, but apparently you did not get that.
I know English is not my forte, but...
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
There is context but did in fact affected the time stream. I still think it requires more force to alter the time stream than to shatter a world.And this particular sm feat, imo is not a world shattering feat but a time altering feat via physical force. With context behind, but still more impresive than others.
Only kryptonians involved in that arc achieved the same results.
What I don't get is the insistence of abiding by this "feat" when it is clearly unquantifiable. I mean, what does it really prove when 1) We can't really measure the timestream's "durability" 2) the fact that the timestream was in flux puts doubt in the actualy timestream's "durability" even when we could.
At BEST this "feat" proves that you'd have a lot to worry about IF you were a being that can only be affected via temporal/spatial damage but what exactly does this "feat" prove when we're discussing the power of something against physical objects? Not much really.
There should be better, more quantifiable "feats" for Superman. With his rich history and thousands of appearances, you should at least find a couple that can compete within a quantifiable scope. Otherwise, I suggest simply conceding the point.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Even during the time flux there was no one else who achieved the same results, if that helps anything.
Doesn't really help, I mean it's a non-feat due to the issues I pointed out above.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
As for another feat, come to mind shattering DS soulfire body
Then wouldn't it be a better use of everyone's time to focus on this "feat" instead of trying to resuscitate a dead horse that's already been beaten to death long since?
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElHad I known I would be criticized for not writing responses with exactitude and perfectly nuance wording, I would have spent more effort. As it stands, I was typing a response to someone who admitted English isn't even his first language. In other words, your broken English isn't worth the effort.
Right!Ok now, I get it that in that little world of yours, Two measly punches is = to a "wilder punch fest"
Your contrived over-emphasis on the exact # of punches we see on-panel is irrelevant. Each single punch of Kal-El's and Kal L's were causing them to live out each other's memories. The effects they were experiencing were not the result of cumulative damage-over-time to imaginary time barriers. Superman Prime's punches are stronger than Kal-L's and Kal-El's. They're also wilder and more ferocious because he's a murderous cunt, as opposed to the other Supermen who were resenting each other but didn't want to murder each other. Yet neither of the stronger punches we see Prime throw on-panel achieved any sort of odd effect. Which tells you that Kryptonian strength wasn't the sole reason for the odd effects we saw beforehand.
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElYet it wasn't achieved by an even stronger Kryptonian punching other Kryptonians.
If your head were not too much inside your @ss you will notice that I have acknowledge that feat has context, but it was only achieved by Kryptonians, I understand you might think you are the all mighty English reader, but apparently you did not get that.I know English is not my forte, but...
Who's head is up who's a$$, now? shocklaugh
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Doesn't really help, I mean it's a non-feat due to the issues I pointed out above.Then wouldn't it be a better use of everyone's time to focus on this "feat" instead of trying to resuscitate a dead horse that's already been beaten to death long since?
I was just giving my input in the feat, I still don't think is was something easily achievable via physical force, even if you take into account the time flux.
And I think it will be good idea to get a MOD ruling on it.
So We know where this stands.
As for the other feat, I also think is pretty good taking into account the type of attacks Darseid was tanking and did nothing to him
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I was just giving my input in the feat, I still don't think is was something easily achievable via physical force, even if you take into account the time flux.And I think it will be good idea to get a MOD ruling on it.
So We know where this stands.
Originally posted by -Pr-This can't be life. It just can't. Weep for humanity.
Their punches alone weren't doing all that damage to reality.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
On panel it says that their fight is shattering the boundaries of time and space, that every time they connect they are sent to each other's stories, living their lives. That was happening on earth 2, on earth one apparently there was a time flux every time they landed a punch.I have not read Geoff Johns interview, but according to the DC TPB it says
"To save the woman He loves, this Man of Steel must break his bonds and bend reality to what He think is right"
Yes, but their own personal histories. If that wasn't apparently obvious, the writer further clarified it for the inept. The way you phrase it, they were shifting creation with every blow or something.
No one is denying that the Superman was warping time/space with their hits, but it's explicitly tied to the events occurring during Infinite Crisis. That's why even something like a blast of heat vision sent them spiraling into each others lives, everything was out of balance.
You obviously need a certain threshold of strength to accomplish this which is why only Supermen were doing so but that's it. Trying to bring it up as evidence in a thread where it's Thor vs. Superman is nonsensical.
Might as well bring up the time Thor beat up a weakened Odin if we're going to ignore such obvious context.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I was just giving my input in the feat, I still don't think is was something easily achievable via physical force, even if you take into account the time flux.And I think it will be good idea to get a MOD ruling on it.
So We know where this stands.
I think there already was a mod ruling on it....
Originally posted by -Pr-
Their punches alone weren't doing all that damage to reality.
Or at least a mod opnion on it. I propose we drop discussing this "feat" altogether and simply move on.
Originally posted by ODG
Had I known I would be criticized for not writing responses with exactitude and perfectly nuance wording, I would have spent more effort. As it stands, I was typing a response to someone who admitted English isn't even his first language. In other words, your broken English isn't worth the effort.
Excuse me all mighty, for getting you out of your basement in order to debate against us lowlies.
Originally posted by ODG
Your contrived over-emphasis on the exact # of punches we see on-panel is irrelevant. Each single punch of Kal-El's and Kal L's were causing them to live out each other's memories. The effects they were experiencing were not the result of cumulative damage-over-time to imaginary time barriers. Superman Prime's punches are stronger than Kal-L's and Kal-El's. They're also wilder and more ferocious because he's a murderous cunt, as opposed to the other Supermen who were resenting each other but didn't want to murder each other. Yet neither of the stronger punches we see Prime throw on-panel achieved any sort of odd effect. Which tells you that Kryptonian strength wasn't the sole reason for the odd effects we saw beforehand. Yet it wasn't achieved by an even stronger Kryptonian punching other Kryptonians.
As for the feat itself. didn't you said the time flux helped? I think I have said that since the beggining, the feat has CONTEXT. AND I have not said the time flux did not helped, still only the kryptoninas fighting achieved this. Your head is so much up your @ss that you don't even acknowledge that I have said since the begining that the feat has context, should I repeat that again? the feat has context, but still it was only achieved by kryptonians.
It goes according to what PR says
Now you get it?
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
As for the feat itself. didn't you said the time flux helped? I think I have said that since the beggining, the feat has CONTEXT. AND I have not said the time flux did not helped, still only the kryptoninas fighting achieved this. Your head is so much up your @ss that you don't even acknowledge that I have said since the begining that the feat has context, should I repeat that again? the feat has context, but still it was only achieved by kryptonians.It goes according to what PR says
Now you get it?
Duuude.... do we really have to keep going about this?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus👆
Yes, but their own personal histories. If that wasn't apparently obvious, the writer further clarified it for the inept. The way you phrase it, they were shifting creation with every blow or something.No one is denying that the Superman was warping time/space with their hits, but it's explicitly tied to the events occurring during Infinite Crisis. That's why even something like a blast of heat vision sent them spiraling into each others lives, everything was out of balance.
You obviously need a certain threshold of strength to accomplish this which is why only Supermen were doing so but that's it. Trying to bring it up as evidence in a thread where it's Thor vs. Superman is nonsensical.
Might as well bring up the time Thor beat up a weakened Odin if we're going to ignore such obvious context.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusNo one is denying that the Superman was warping time/space with their hits, but it's explicitly tied to the events occurring during Infinite Crisis. That's why even something like a blast of heat vision sent them spiraling into each others lives, everything was out of balance.
You obviously need a certain threshold of strength to accomplish this which is why only Supermen were doing so but that's it.
👆, though I do not know If I am thumbing you up for calling me inept
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Trying to bring it up as evidence in a thread where it's Thor vs. Superman is nonsensical.Might as well bring up the time Thor beat up a weakened Odin if we're going to ignore such obvious context.
I was just giving my opinion onto why I did not consider this a world shattering feat, others might but I don't. I consider this a time shattering feat with context behind and I have said that since the begining.
But somehow ODI has a personal vendetta with me 😂