Superman's Hardest Punch vs Thor's Hardest Mjolnir Slam

Originally posted by -Pr-
punching through john stewart's construct that was designed to hold him.

Not really all that impressive considering the feats it is being compared to.

Originally posted by -Pr-
hurting darkseid, mongul, doomsday, wonder woman.

Thor has KOd the Surfer, hurt Thanos, the Destroyer, the big G and damaged the armor of a freakin Celestial with his hammer. The people above don't compare.

Originally posted by -Pr-
punching captain marvel from california to hawaii with such force that it still left a sonic boom when he reached hawaii.

Thor's impact on the Celestial armor caused enough shockwaves that smashed nearby mountains and reverberated throughout the whole planet. This feat really doesn't compare.

Originally posted by -Pr-
punching earth 2 superman so hard that reality was damaged during IC. beating the last brainiac.

Thing is, we can't quantify this feat as we don't know how much power is needed to damage reality. TBH, the force needed for reality-rending has been portrayed kind of inconsistently these days. Can we see a scan of this so we can asses context?

I think based on feats, Thor wins hands down.

just pick the hardest one

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Not really all that impressive considering the feats it is being compared to.

Thor has KOd the Surfer, hurt Thanos, the Destroyer, the big G and damaged the armor of a freakin Celestial with his hammer. The people above don't compare.

Thor's impact on the Celestial armor caused enough shockwaves that smashed nearby mountains and reverberated throughout the whole planet. This feat really doesn't compare.

Thing is, we can't quantify this feat as we don't know how much power is needed to damage reality. TBH, the force needed for reality-rending has been portrayed kind of inconsistently these days. Can we see a scan of this so we can asses context?

I think based on feats, Thor wins hands down.

facepalm

he gave infinity man trouble. that good enough for you?

now we are getting beyond hrdest hits I see

Originally posted by -Pr-
facepalm

he gave infinity man trouble. that good enough for you?

I read Infinity Man's respect thread, his showings seem inconsistent, at best. I wouldn't put him near Galactus (who also has inconsistent showings) in power levels (unless you have something that proves otherwise, of course.).

Also, what's with the facepalm? I merely rebutted your presented feats with known Thor feats, if you have an issue with the comparisons that were presented or the conculsions made, then make it an argument. :-p

Edit. Besides, I thought ABC logic wasn't the best form of argumentation around here...

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I read Infinity Man's respect thread, his showings seem inconsistent, at best. I wouldn't put him near Galactus (who also has inconsistent showings) in power levels (unless you have something that proves otherwise, of course.).

Also, what's with the facepalm? I merely rebutted your presented feats with known Thor feats, if you have an issue with the comparisons that were presented or the conculsions made, then make it an argument. :-p

Edit. Besides, I thought ABC logic wasn't the best form of argumentation around here...

rebutted =/= dismissed

people asked for examples, i provided examples. there are probably better ones, but that was literally off the top of my head.

who's using ABC logic?

Originally posted by -Pr-
rebutted =/= dismissed

I didn't dismiss them at all (other than the GL one), just provided feats that I believe are better than the ones you presented w/c is standard rebuttal in any kind of vs feat debate. How can you even call what I did "dismissing"?

Originally posted by -Pr-
people asked for examples, i provided examples. there are probably better ones, but that was literally off the top of my head.

W/c is why I provided my own examples. I don't begrudge you for providing examples, I actually consider it the standard debating medium for this kind of thread.

I just don't think I deserve the facepalm there. :-/ especially with h1a8 just one post above me...

Originally posted by -Pr-
who's using ABC logic?

I consider all "he hurt X, so the Y must be more powerful than Z" arguments to be ABC logic. My understanding on the definition of "ABC logic" could be wrong tho and I would like to be corrected if it is. ^_^

[QUOTE=12352079]Originally posted by D_Dude1210
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I just don't think I deserve the facepalm there. :-/
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Yeah it wasn't actually a facepalm post 😮‍💨

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I didn't dismiss them at all (other than the GL one), just provided feats that I believe are better than the ones you presented w/c is standard rebuttal in any kind of vs feat debate. How can you even call what I did "dismissing"?

W/c is why I provided my own examples. I don't begrudge you for providing examples, I actually consider it the standard debating medium for this kind of thread.

I just don't think I deserve the facepalm there. :-/ especially with h1a8 just one post above me...

I consider all "he hurt X, so the Y must be more powerful than Z" arguments to be ABC logic. My understanding on the definition of "ABC logic" could be wrong tho and I would like to be corrected if it is. ^_^

dismissing the gl one at all is actually something i can't believe. why would you dismiss that of all of them given john's other feats?

honestly, i tend not to read h1a8's posts that much anymore.

i never said any of that, though.

Thor ftw.

OneDumbGo certainly bring enlightment to everybody.

The writer's intention, it being acknowledged by Marvel Handbooks involving 616 characters and the story continuing in DC titles, common sense and logic aren't enough because he wants to know how was it possible that all of those objects were there, otherwise he dismisses it as alternate reality.

I shouldn't be, but sometimes even I am surprised by what I see on this board. This even beats "Thor is faster than instant" or "That wasn't Henshaw that was being thrown by Superboy Prime along Anti-Monitor, it was just Anti-Monitor's skeleton".

^ I try. And although -Pr- doesn't care for pages to be devoted to this issue, if those items couldn't be where they were in that story, that overrides a throw-away line from a Marvel handbook that makes an allusion to JLA/Avengers. Sorry, but the story continuing on in DC titles might make it arguable that it's canon to DC, but that doesn't hold weight as to whether it's canon to Marvel. It's as attenuated as suggesting that Spawn's continuing shoelace face from a batarang makes it canon that Batman visited the Image Universe. I suggest that you try using on-panel proof that it was 616-Marvel involved rather than throw-away allusions in handbooks and inaposite consequences from the DC Universe to rebut the on-panel proof presented in the story. Maybe try applying that common sense?

Originally posted by -Pr-
who said they did?

Originally posted by -Pr-
dismissing the gl one at all is actually something i can't believe. why would you dismiss that of all of them given john's other feats?

Since we're on the common sense of things, would you say that the writer, companies and story implications was that this was an alternate universe version of the Avengers ?

Apparently just because the writer didn't specifically adress every single detail of the story and how it fits into the other ones Universe, in this case 'how were the items there ?' it means everybody can go all 'Hey, I'll just rule it as non-canon/alternate universe then!'.

Edit:
This made me laugh pretty hard:

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Sorry, but the story continuing on in DC titles might make it arguable that it's canon to DC, but that doesn't hold weight as to whether it's canon to Marvel.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Off-handed throw-away lines in bios don't overrule on-panel proof. And the on-panel proof that certain artifacts couldn't have been where they were in JLA/Avengers is undeniable. Hence, it did not involve 616-Universe.It's the only reasonable explanation considering the circumstances. Same as how Spawn/Batman didn't involve New Earth Batman either.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I try. And although -Pr- doesn't care for pages to be devoted to this issue, if those items couldn't be where they were in that story, that overrides a throw-away line from a Marvel handbook that makes an allusion to JLA/Avengers. Sorry, but the story continuing on in DC titles might make it arguable that it's canon to DC, but that doesn't hold weight as to whether it's canon to Marvel. It's as attenuated as suggesting that Spawn's continuing shoelace face from a batarang makes it canon that Batman visited the Image Universe. I suggest that you try using on-panel proof that it was 616-Marvel involved rather than throw-away allusions in handbooks and inaposite consequences from the DC Universe to rebut the on-panel proof presented in the story. Maybe try applying that common sense? xJLxKing alluded to it. Yeah, it's impressive... but GL shields have been broken by different ranges of physical force, so it's kinda hard to quantify it.

john thought superman was trying to kill him. he put up a shield. i'd say it's a pretty high end feat for Superman, personally, considering what GL shields have contained.

Originally posted by -Pr-
john thought superman was trying to kill him. he put up a shield. i'd say it's a pretty high end feat for Superman, personally, considering what GL shields have contained.

lol at people still discussing the crossover.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Oh I don't deny it. Though the page before the first scan Superman was attacked by Solaar and Radioactive man, they used Kryptonite Radiation and Red Sun Radiation to "drive out the juice out of Superman" Vision sacrified himself to charge Superman with his remaining solar energy (from his cells he was badly damaged). This gave Clark the chance to defeat them.

So when you look at just one more page, which quan forgot to mention 😉, you see that it was an depowered superman who tried to break the wall. Mjolnir wasn't depowered, though thor was hurt. So yes an "healthy" Mjolnir did the greater work 😉.

Though I have to give Quan some respect. Showing scans out of context to prove an point is quite cunning 😄.

wow one night and bam this thread explodes... um vision was able to give him power back no?

... i skimmed through the post until here and people did speak about it but whatever I think people are past my conversationa nd im not going to read them all so.

Have fun yall. 😄

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
lol at people still discussing the crossover.

im a bit surprised to, i personally don't like cross overs but i can see how some people are argue for it.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
lol at people still discussing the crossover.

Are you lol'ing at me, son ?

Saying that it shouldn't be used as a primary argument and that it's not admissable on the forum is one thing. But going all 'It's an alternate universe version of the avengers!' is pretty idiotic. It's the latter part that I have a problem with.