Originally posted by -Pr-Yeah, but the stuff that's illustrated wasn't corrupted at all. From top right-hand corner clockwise to the bottom left-hand corner: (i) Wonder Woman did snap Max's neck, (ii) Supes did fight an OMAC, (iii) Spectre did appear over Gotham in Countdown to Infinite Crisis, (iv) Zatanna did freeze Batman in his tracks as revealed in Crisis of Conscience, (v) the Rann-Thanagar War did happen, (vi) Lois-2 was sick, etc. What past events were affected?
that's the point. their punches are corrupting reality like superboy prime's did.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yeah, but the stuff that's illustrated wasn't corrupted at all. From top right-hand corner clockwise to the bottom left-hand corner: (i) Wonder Woman did snap Max's neck, (ii) Supes did fight an OMAC, (iii) Spectre did appear over Gotham in Countdown to Infinite Crisis, (iv) Zatanna did freeze Batman in his tracks, (v) the Rann-Thanagar War did happen, (vi) Lois-2 is sick, etc. What past events were affected?
it was corrupted, though. it was just reset back to normal when new earth came to be.
edit: sorry. it wasnt reset. both supermen fractured reality to the point that they lived out each other's lives and did differently what they would have done. when they both realised that it was futile, everything was reset.
in the lives they led, those things didn't happen.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Don't see any indication it was corrupted at all. If it was normal after the fight, then I think it's simpler to conclude it never changed in the first place. Not that it changed off-panel and was changed back.
it was shown that they lived the life of their opposite number "in the blink of an eye" so something was going on there.
^ Taking this account as true, it still seems appropriate to account for the fact that this involved Superman-2 and their fight took place in a multiverse that was newly in flux, and specifically on an Earth-2 that wasn't even finished yet (no population except for a few heroes). Too many circumstances.
Basically, Superman bashing another Superman-level foe didn't produce similar reality-reverberating effects absent all the circumstances in Infinite Crisis.
Originally posted by -Pr-So you ignore the Im telling Superman leave this has nothing to do with you. You don't have more power than I do. Then he easily contains him so he can fulfill his true purpose while Superman did no actual damage to Iman from what we can tell.
it was both.umm, all of it?
Ah forget it this won't go anywhere but us disagreeing like usual.
The universe was in constant flux so I see no reason why these two Supermen altered anything during the time this took place. The events taking place were the reason for this imo.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Taking this account as true, it still seems appropriate to account for the fact that this involved Superman-2 and their fight took place in a multiverse that was newly in flux, and specifically on an Earth-2 that wasn't even finished yet (no population except for a few heroes). Too many circumstances.Basically, Superman bashing another Superman-level foe didn't produce similar reality-reverberating effects absent all the circumstances in Infinite Crisis.
i never said there weren't other effects going on at the same time, though.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you ignore the Im telling Superman leave this has nothing to do with you. You don't have more power than I do. Then he easily contains him so he can fulfill his true purpose while Superman did no actual damage to Iman from what we can tell.Ah forget it this won't go anywhere but us disagreeing like usual.
The universe was in constant flux so I see no reason why these two Supermen altered anything during the time this took place. The events taking place were the reason for this imo.
i'm not ignoring anything.
i just don't believe superman did as badly as you seem to.
Originally posted by -Pr-I don't think he did terrible I just see him as a minor obstacle in Infinity Man's path to Miracle. He was too powerful for Superman which isn't a knock on Superman it's just he was pretty powerful.
i never said there weren't other effects going on at the same time, though.i'm not ignoring anything.
i just don't believe superman did as badly as you seem to.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210Superman can and has punched while flying forward. He doesn't need to just extend his hands.
^Quit it with all the theories and assumptions please. Post best hitting feat before making conclusions.Can someone please post Superman's best punching feats? And not FLYING-into-something-with-hands-extended feats. Punching feats as the thread title specifies.
Also, can we include BRB feats as Thor hitting feats (as they are both equal)?
If Superman can't get a running start (a flying start) then Thor can't get one either (no whirling the hammer before the strike).
Originally posted by D_Dude1210Thing is, we can't quantify this feat as we don't know how much power is needed to damage reality. TBH, the force needed for reality-rending has been portrayed kind of inconsistently these days. Can we see a scan of this so we can asses context?
I think based on feats, Thor wins hands down.
We don't know how much force is needed to damage reality but we do know that it is more than any strike Thor has ever done. If not then Thor would have been altering reality with his strikes too.
Also this thread is about normal Thor, not king Thor or the likes. So him doing anything to Destroyer is false. Also Thanos and Surfer are not as durable as DD, Darkseid, and father Mongul. Celestial armor is very weak in comparison to uru or adamantium. It has been damaged multiple times under plain physical force in comics. Thor never hurt big G with any hammer strikes.
Originally posted by h1a8Both stand still and deliver their most powerful blows. Thor isn't allowed to throw his hammer nor is Superman allowed to get a flying start.
Superman can and has punched while flying forward. He doesn't need to just extend his hands.If Superman can't get a running start (a flying start) then Thor can't get one either (no whirling the hammer before the strike).
Originally posted by quanchi112Only the OP can make up the stipulations. First of all I believe the point of the thread is to see who can hit the hardest in a combat type of situation. That means Thor whirling his hammer for eternity to deliver a strike is not practical.
Both stand still and deliver their most powerful blows. Thor isn't allowed to throw his hammer nor is Superman allowed to get a flying start.
Allowing Thor to do such and not Superman is conceding to the fact that Superman can truly hit harder than Thor under normal circumstances.
Originally posted by h1a8No, because Thor is using his hammer strikes while Superman is allowed to punch.
Only the OP can make up the stipulations. First of all I believe the point of the thread is to see who can hit the hardest in a combat type of situation. That means Thor whirling his hammer for eternity to deliver a strike is not practical.Allowing Thor to do such and not Superman is conceding to the fact that Superman can truly hit harder than Thor under normal circumstances.
If you feel you have any feats where he flies to gain momentum that are better than these feats then by all means post them. You still won't win.
Originally posted by quanchi112
This isn't close nor will it be close.The power of Thor has affected all planes of reality and rivaled the big bang itself.
Thor's hammer brings the pain and will always outdo Superman's fists.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor_439-11.jpg
What comic is that from? But you know it was hammer against hammer where Superman's was fist against face. Also the scan mentions that mystic energy emitted from the hammers voiding out the whole feat.
