SCW Sinestro Corps vs Annhilation Wave

Started by redhotrash15 pages

This post not only screams ignorance regarding the Annihilation wave, but is so one sided that it makes me want laugh. A post which basically lists what might occur if the one side somehow managed to do whatever they wanted and if the other side did -absolutely- nothing. [/B][/QUOTE]

Im not saying that would all happen obviously. Im saying any of that can happen. What does A-Wave have going for it other than massive numbers? Granted thats nothing to scoff at, but really they only have a very small handful of powerhouses. SC has several members who specialize in either A)Taking out mass numbers, B)Manipulating mass numbers, and C) Turning the strengths of said mass numbers against itself.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
It's taken Guy and Kyle weeks at least to reach OA. Looking at the way they travel though it looks fairly relaxed. Isonade travelling in a fancy bed, etc. But that's getting off topic, yellow lanterns cannot teleport instantly.

They have done it in the past

Originally posted by redhotrash

Im not saying that would all happen obviously. Im saying any of that can happen. What does A-Wave have going for it other than massive numbers? Granted thats nothing to scoff at, but really they only have a very small handful of powerhouses. SC has several members who specialize in either A)Taking out mass numbers, B)Manipulating mass numbers, and C) Turning the strengths of said mass numbers against itself.

The Delinquent: a reality warper
Thanos: instant teleportation tech to move an armada anywhere in space. He's a tactical genius more than anyone in this fight.
Annihilus: Quantum band and Cosmic Control Rod giving him more power than Sinestro.
Terrax - could atleast match Arkillo
Ravenous
Seekers
Centurions
Harvestor of Sorrows: Planet destroying weapon
Millions of troops

Originally posted by xJLxKing
They have done it in the past

Pre-Crisis past?

Originally posted by redhotrash
Im not saying that would all happen obviously. Im saying any of that can happen. What does A-Wave have going for it other than massive numbers? Granted thats nothing to scoff at, but really they only have a very small handful of powerhouses. SC has several members who specialize in either A)Taking out mass numbers, B)Manipulating mass numbers, and C) Turning the strengths of said mass numbers against itself.

Fair enough, my mistake.

A-Wave has parasites strong enough to control beings such as Terrax, Moondragon and Paibok. Not awesomely strong beings but take a look at what they are. Terrax has the power cosmic. Moondragon is a very powerful telepath. Paibok is a skrull, who all have an incredible control over their own bodies. Said parasites also gave them full control over Delinquent, with his own reality warping abilities.

Further more when Glorian Shaper of the worlds, a guy with reality warping on planetary scale, attempted to purge the A-wave he failed. He was only dealing with the armies of one-queen and was not able to turn the insects' minds and so on, despite being able to easily mind-control/power up Ronan and Gamora. Glorian was able to change/cleanse the bugs and was driven insane by trying to do so. Parallax might be the whole fear-bug and all that hyperbole, but he stimulates one emotion, and I find it highly unlikely for that to work here. It might do well against the Kree and Skrull or Annihilus' centurions but not against the regular drones.

Many of the A-wave drone can compete with a regular Sinestro Corps member. They come in different shapes and sizes, but even the lower ones can harm Super Skrull with their energy blasts (That's The Thing + Reed's durability) and withstand the blasts of Nova Centurions/Commanders without any sign of injury. It was not until Nova actually received his power up that he was able to do any worthwhile damage.

A handful of powerhouses? Adding on to their millions of incredibly powerful drones and ships, they have the Centurions and Seekers. Seekers function as cosmic heralds on a somewhat lower scale. They wield the equivalency of the Negative Zone's power cosmic. There are hundreds of these and they were hunting down heralds systematically. Air Walker and Morg paid with their lives, Terrax was turned into a slave. The Alpha Centurions are Annihilus' elite, hand-picked soldiers from the Negative Zone. Among these guys there is Super Skrull's woman, with her own technopathy.

Further more, you seem to forget that technopathy is just one far less advanced form of matter manipulation. It's like saying that Thanos or Galactus would not be capable of firing beams like Cyclops or manipulating fire because it's not specifically stated. Thanos who is probably one of the more accomplished scientists in the universe, has matter manipulation. Annihilus' matter manipulation easily overrided Quasar's powers. Infant Terrible could destroy the sun if he just wished for it! Hank Henshaw isn't going to take over anything.

To further emphasize the numbers of the A-Wave, Annihilus destroyed many, many, many ships surrounding a planet simply because he wanted to test his newfound power. Considering how his queens constantly crap out tactics on an instant-feed to all the drones and soldiers, I doubt any sort of mind-control or attempt at usurping/infecting their drones would go unnoticed. All of his soldiers are instantly expendable.

- Technopathy is countered by SEVERAL PEOPLE who possess powerful matter manipulation/reality warping, AND technopaths of their own.
- Fear is countered by powerful mind control of their own, a distinct lack of -any- human emotion and so on.
- The Sinestro Corps does not have -more- powerful members as Annihilus has a set of heralds, his own elite and some powerful allies.
- The A-Wave already has millions of troops on-line with the random Sinestro Corps fodders. Hell, Wildcat was beating on some of these members. Do you expect all of them to fight on the level as Hal or even Natu or Isamot?

Wasn't Parallax able to control Ganthet? I'm not saying I agree that Parallax could control Annihilus but that counts for something that he could control a Guardian of the Universe.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Wasn't Parallax able to control Ganthet? I'm not saying I agree that Parallax could control Annihilus but that counts for something that he could control a Guardian of the Universe.

They have emotion though. Desperately trying to suppress your emotions is not along the line of never being born with any. Besides, is not Ganthet the posterboy for the HOPE corps.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
They have emotion though. Desperately trying to suppress your emotions is not along the line of never being born with any. Besides, is not Ganthet the posterboy for the HOPE corps.

My point was that dominating a Guardian is a mad feat of control. Is Parallax's power limited to controlling emotions? I don't see why he couldn't dominate any thinking being.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing

Pre-Crisis past?


I am talking about Yellow Lanterns who were in PC era.

LMAO at someone resisting Parallax as a host.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
My point was that dominating a Guardian is a mad feat of control. Is Parallax's power limited to controlling emotions? I don't see why he couldn't dominate any thinking being.

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/EmeraldDawnI-01-17.jpg
Parallax thrives on fear, that's what he requires to take control. It's pretty much granted now that if you understand fear and fight it, he cannot take control over you. Fear is like Abin Sur explains here, preservation instinct. Annihilus' troops do not have this.

Irregardless, Annihilus' control is also biological. Even if the ones under its control wanted to do as they pleased, they could not. Terrax wanted to kill himself, but he could not. When Thanos freed moondragon from the parasites, he had to turn his matter manipulation abilities on her body.

Irregardless is not a word, and I absolutely hate it when people use that. Its almost as bad as "conversate". Sorry, pet peeve.
Anyway, even a weak moron with a lantern ring should be considered a threat. I understand the A-wave has obscene numbers, but I also think you are discounting what the SC bring. Either way, good debate.

Originally posted by redhotrash
Irregardless is not a word, and I absolutely hate it when people use that. Its almost as bad as "conversate".

Yeah, I was aiming for regardless.

dur me.

Originally posted by redhotrash
Irregardless is not a word, and I absolutely hate it when people use that. Its almost as bad as "conversate".

And guesstimate.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
It's pre-crisis but it doesn't matter.

Yellow Lanterns were created by Geoff Johns and we'll use his feats to gauge their strength. Sinestro has the combat prowess to beat Hal or Kyle, but he does not have the ability to suddenly replicate all of their feats. For the last 5 years now, we've seen the Green Lanterns use -flight- to travel and not a single one has shown any kind of teleportation ability along the lines of Thanos' technology. Why do you think everybody were so zomg'd by the the indigo lanterns' ability to teleport?

Well, here is Marty teleporting.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/GLLegacy_pg044.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/GLLegacy_pg045.jpg

BTW, Geoff sucks at powerlevels overall.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
They have done it in the past

How often? Sometimes writers give characters something like "use it 1 time and throw it away" abilities to move the plot forward or just for the fun of it, Spidey was able to hear radio waves in one of his early issues.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Well, here is Marty teleporting.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/GLLegacy_pg044.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/GLLegacy_pg045.jpg

BTW, Geoff sucks at powerlevels overall.


Yep, he sucks so bad that he's upgraded Nekron from run of the mill abstract to the Anti-God. The Great Evil Beast is now redundant, if its still even in continuity.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
How often? Sometimes writers give characters something like "use it 1 time and throw it away" abilities to move the plot forward or just for the fun of it, Spidey was able to hear radio waves in one of his early issues.

The feat is pretty recent. I only seen a Yellow Lantern do it once, but Green Lanterns, I have seen it a few times.

I think it happened in GL 16, or 17.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Well, here is Marty teleporting.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/GLLegacy_pg044.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/GLLegacy_pg045.jpg

BTW, Geoff sucks at powerlevels overall.

Oh wow, that's not a yellow lantern.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I don't have a scan, but they used a few asteroid, or left overs and recreated it.
I think you're confusing John Stewart terraforming an asteroi and Kyle creating a planet-sized prison of rubble with each other.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Well, here is Marty teleporting.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/GLLegacy_pg044.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/GLLegacy_pg045.jpg

BTW, Geoff sucks at powerlevels overall.

Marty was a manifestation of the original Ion power stuck in the sun after Hal sacrificed himself in the Final Night storyline. Trust me. GL's and YL's can't teleport, except between matter and antimatter universes.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I think you're confusing John Stewart terraforming an asteroi and Kyle creating a planet-sized prison of rubble with each other.

perhaps