Originally posted by jinzin
You maybe be right about the IF fights I'll have to review them.Most of his fights he held back with Fisk sure, but in many of them he couldn't avoid Fisk... There's the problem, even if he's not swinging for the fences in every fight, it shouldn't reduce his spider speed or SS, he still gets tagged which is of course the point..
Apparently you don't even need great MA skills as Hammerhead was apt to point out.
Agreed.... Daredevil, same as with Fisk.
I don't agree with your statement on the graveyard fight though, simply because if Wolverine was trying to kill Spidey he would have when given the chance, it may not make sense that he wasted time, but that's exactly what he was doing when he chose to let Spiderman hit him in the face and opted not to retaliate. I'm not going to discard every example after that just because they don't reflect how you think a scenario SHOULD go between the two. 😬
I haven't seen the second fight with Deadpool. ?
Bullseye, like I said, another crapshoot, on one hand he parries DD and Elektra at the same time, on the other Elektra takes him out while drugged, poisoned, and wounded. 😬
"Dont get me wrong I do not have this crazy urge to prove that Spider-man is unhittable or undefeatable, in a forum fight id give Wolverine a majority over Spider-man no doubt, all im saying is - his speed is the only reason he can fight someone like Deadpool and Wolverine, its the ONLY thing he's got over them that lets him survive his encounters with them. So I just refuse to accept the idea that it's nothing special at all or an average speed for a well trained peak human because if that was the case he'd get instantly killed as soon as he faces a trained MA peak human with say a blade because unlike DD and Wolverine he doesnt have the skills to fight him, he'd have to rely on his powers, mostly on his superior speed... "
Fair enough, though I think Spiderman's SS fluctuates based on the level of danger coming at him as does his body's involuntary reaction to it. I agree that Spiderman's extremely fast and that his powerset makes him very very hard to hit, but his history IS littered with fights where he does get hit.. a lot by gifted street levels. I don't think it's beyond comprehendible that a guy like Colossus could tag him.
I think holding back during a fight makes you slower, ofcourse its hard for me to judge especially going by comicbook standarts where people've got super strength, but Logan said that when Parker is holding back it makes him slower. That was in a what if, but I guess it still says something.
The thing is I dont think Logan allowed Spider-man to attack, i mean he was about to attack himself when Parker jumped at him, the punches were keeping him from getting up but didnt do any real harm so he was just smiling to freak him out and it worked, he didnt kill him later because there was no longer need for that, he knew Spider-man didnt have the guts to do what he wanted to do, the fight was already over and Logan won. imo he was too worried about his friend to let the fight last so long on purpse. But since he had the chance to avoid killing him ofcourse he chose to let him live.
And im not saying that we should completely ignore other encounters, just saying they're not the best examples, i mean its well within Parker's personality to understimate his opponent, act too cocky and thus get hit even by lesser fighters than Logan, and it was the case. Not the same as when he's fights to save someone's life for example.
The second fight with Deadpool happened in the last Amazing issue, the art sucked but you should check it out 'cause it's hillarious, the fight ended with Parker and DP having a "your mama" fight. 😄
Ofcourse its not impossible for Colossus to hit him, and I guess you're right that ss fluctuates depending on the level of danger. It'd be save to assume that it doesnt register punches as it registers say bullets or knives..
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Seems to me that Osborn can't do a single thing right.He liked it so much he told his aunt about it. True story 😖
😬 He told his aunt because he was haunted by it and didn't know whom else to tell. Also hard to say if its really canon, SM would break the 4th wall there all the time, I guess its kinda like that 9/11 book, I mean it was good and touching but Doc Doom crying? 🤨
Originally posted by Parmaniac
OK it's on, IT'S ON!
You have GOT to tell me where's that from 😆 I read Wolverine Origins and other his solo series but I wasn't keeping up with the x-men for a long time.