Originally posted by snoopdogg
Why didn't Logan just toss the Gorilla off of him?BTW Human Robot is pretty strong the handbook says he can lift 50 tons.
Human Robot is really strong, he pritty powerful all around, I would not be surprized if he was even stronger.
Originally posted by snoopdoggSo he'd web him up in an inconvenient way?
Via superior speed and agility mixing in his ability to snatch Colossus up with his webbing and sling him or just wrap him up in a thick cocoon of webs. The consensus seems to be that his webbing can hold Class 75's or above though I've never seen any evidence to prove it either way other than the Rogue incident. When did Spidey web Rhino? I need to see a scan.
Originally posted by BattlehammerI don't know if the Human Robot is stronger than 50 tons. Colossus was restraining him in the issue before.
gorilla had leverage, and he easily superhuman in strength.Human Robot is really strong, he pritty powerful all around, I would not be surprized if he was even stronger.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Sorry, I had to get this in... I hate to start one of these, but I must say I don't see the team winning the majority, but Spiderman can dodge Colossus very well at his best, and Wolverine can take some hits from Colossus, but he isn't impervious from them. In the start of Wolverine's career he was taken out by a glancing shot from the Hulk. They both have high and low showings, and Wolverine is no more unkoable than Parker is unhittable, at all. It has nothing to do with this "skill" argument that keeps coming up. All fighters have loads of experience, and most of these streets do not go around using all of these high end martial arts moves and poses. It is a fanbase factor which has them both, "look even", even against a vastly physically inferior opponent. Why would he have serious issues dodging a normal fighter, when he can dodge hits from characters like Dock Ock, Carnage, and beyond that, even while distracted and rescuing someone? It simply isn't fair to disregard Logan's lower showings, and keep using ones against the Hulk, when the Hulk's highest showings would put Wolverine to shame anyways. Now if that is the case then we disregard Spiderman's lowest showings and get to use guys like Thor and beyond. Not fair either.Logan can be hurt by Cap and DD, just like he can be hurt by Hulk and Namor, who have hurt him and dropped him before.
In the forum, Spiderman would stomp a non powered fighter just as easily as Wolverine would, even easier in some situations, considering distance.
Furthermore, like we discussed in the Zoom thread, Spiderman is fighting at his best and isn't holding back, while he isn't trying to kill, he definitely isn't fooling around and he is cutting straight to the point. Spiderman has low showings against guys like say Kingpin especially early on, because of his nature, but here on the forum he gets dropped,, and the gap between a human/peakhuman/low enhanced human and a superhuman was made very clear in a fight between the two. Much more speed, abilities, and Spidersense makes him very difficult to hit, but not unhittable.
Why are we using Logan at his best and not Spiderman, why are feats like Nukes and Thanos usable here? Who decides what is most credible? Characters haven't had problems hurting Logan in his career neither? What is the difference really? Is he healing before the damage is done?
Why are you shoving words down my throat?
I've basically summed most credible up to most consistent. In that Spiderman has consistently been tagged by skilled fighters, Wolverine has consistently stood up to brick level punishment, and that isn't to say guys like DD can't hurt him, of course they can, but they're not likely to knock him out with a haymayker. Likewise Spiderman has dodged Kingpin in a fight, it isn't the likely scenario given his consistency though.
You know how I argue, to me consistency is key, and CIS isn't exempt less otherwise stated, Spiderman on the forums isn't another creature from the one we know in the comics. He's difficult to hit, never said otherwise, but so say him being hit by guys like Wolverine or Colossus is PIS is just absurd and really ignores his entire history of fighting people of that calibre. you know this.
Originally posted by h1a8
"at their best" is only a doorway to PIS if it contradicts the large majority of a character's showings. Obviously, Spider-man can dodge machine gun fire. Thus getting hit by slower moving enemies is not only a contradiction but it is him not "fighting at his best ability".And we would just have to agree to disagree about accepting fights that contradict what a character would really do.
The only time Logan tried to cut Colossus he didn't. How dare you tell that bold face lie. Logan couldn't even manage to put a scratch on him.
And Spider-man loses to Colossus either by spidey tiring or a colossal thunderclap.
If spiderman was capible of dodging everything that came his way, that's how he'd be portrayed.. you're using your version of Spiderman and not one that exists.
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The panel flat out stated he scored Colossus. Just because he didn't dice him in two doesn't mean there wasn't some damage.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
X-Men vs Agentls of Atlas #2. Gorilla-Man overpowers Logan and kayoes him with a headbutt. He's as strong as a mountain gorilla. You're not very educated on big C are you?
then please prove me i am wrong because i know a thing or two about colossus and most of his fights he is bested by someone
