Originally posted by h1a8
Rule1Fights that contradict what a character can actually do are void.
That means showings that have Kingpin or Colossus tagging Spider-man are void.
Team can only win if spidey take's hold of Logan's claws. Will it happen? Not more times than not. So Colossus wins a majority.
Yeah, because Spidey has been infaulible more often than not when fighting such calibre characters... oh wait... you're just a deluded Spiderman fanboy who thinks every time he's ever been tagged is PIS...
Anyways, Colossus wins if Wolvie can't cut him and if he can, Colossus dies same as every thread between the two... *awaits the classic he can he can't discussion on the issue*
Originally posted by jinzin
Yeah, because Spidey has been infaulible more often than not when fighting such calibre characters... oh wait... you're just a deluded Spiderman fanboy who thinks every time he's ever been tagged is PIS...Anyways, Colossus wins if Wolvie can't cut him and if he can, Colossus dies same as every thread between the two... *awaits the classic he can he can't discussion on the issue*
Accepting contradictions is illogical and nonsensical. That is why we use characters at their best.
Spider-man may be strong enough to penetrate Colossus with admantium claws but Logan isn't. I don't see the team taking a majority against colossus. Does my last statement prove I'm not a deluded Spider-man fanboy?
Originally posted by jinzinOfcourse its not PIS all the time, but very often when a character who's much slower tags him its a low showing for Spider-man when its a known fact he can dodge opponents with superior speed even without his ss, and we do not use low showings in vs threads, I mean Wolverine just got overpowered and koed with one hit by a gorilla, so what now we should use it as a proof that anyone with class 2 strength can oneshot him? 😕
Yeah, because Spidey has been infaulible more often than not when fighting such calibre characters... oh wait... you're just a deluded Spiderman fanboy who thinks every time he's ever been tagged is PIS...
not sure why people put colossus so high in the fighting department, he got bested by venom, knocked down by freakin dark x-men beast knocked out by calisto... i mean lets face it the guy is strong but he never had great showings in actual fights specially 1 on 1 fights, he always gets beat up by omega freakin red i mean seriously the guy is just strong nothing more then that
Originally posted by valtizX-Men vs Agentls of Atlas #2. Gorilla-Man overpowers Logan and kayoes him with a headbutt. He's as strong as a mountain gorilla.
wow when and where did that happened
Originally posted by valtizYou're not very educated on big C are you?
not sure why people put colossus so high in the fighting department, he got bested by venom, knocked down by freakin dark x-men beast knocked out by calisto... i mean lets face it the guy is strong but he never had great showings in actual fights specially 1 on 1 fights, he always gets beat up by omega freakin red i mean seriously the guy is just strong nothing more then that
Originally posted by valtiz
not sure why people put colossus so high in the fighting department, he got bested by venom, knocked down by freakin dark x-men beast knocked out by calisto... i mean lets face it the guy is strong but he never had great showings in actual fights specially 1 on 1 fights, he always gets beat up by omega freakin red i mean seriously the guy is just strong nothing more then that
Spider-Man has taken a beating fromt he Enforcers before, who are all standard humans. Wolverine has been taken out by Hand ninjas. Some writers just dont handle their characters properly. And since when is it a bad showing to lose to Omega Red? Red has destroyed a LOT of people before they started jobbing him.
Originally posted by h1a8
Accepting contradictions is illogical and nonsensical. That is why we use characters at their best.Spider-man may be strong enough to penetrate Colossus with admantium claws but Logan isn't. I don't see the team taking a majority against colossus. Does my last statement prove I'm not a deluded Spider-man fanboy?
No, we use characters at their most credible... "at their best" is a doorway to PIS, and frankly, some characters "at their best" punch and kick the crap out of Spiderman.... Frankly Spiderman "at his most commonly represented" is not too much for skilled fighters to hit, it's been that way his entire career. The only contradiction there is your inability to accept 95% of his fights with people of such calibre because he does get hit.
A lot.
The only time Logan tried to cut Colossus he did, we don't know if he can fully penetrate him because he's never tried. Colossus seems to think he can. Your opinions on such matters are not facts... You're just delusional. And yes you can still be a deluded Spidey fan to think that Spiderman loses even when Colossus is too slow too touch him by your logic.. talk about contradictions.
Originally posted by SamZED
Ofcourse its not PIS all the time, but very often when a character who's much slower tags him its a low showing for Spider-man when its a known fact he can dodge opponents with superior speed even without his ss, and we do not use low showings in vs threads, I mean Wolverine just got overpowered and koed with one hit by a gorilla, so what now we should use it as a proof that anyone with class 2 strength can oneshot him? 😕
Not when it's a gifted street level fighter of decent quality, more often than not Spiderman takes punishment in those fights... a lot of punishment.
Wolverine's showings against opponents with super strength factor his damage soak to be much higher than the strength and damage output of a gorilla... The gorilla feat goes against multitudes of like-evidence.
Spiderman's showings against slower, BUT SKILLED fighters DOESN'T lend to Spiderman dodging their blows all the time he gets hit.
Other faster, and less skilled opponents? Sure, not skilled fighters, him being hit by them doesn't go against multitudes of like-evidence, it's just been that way since the start of his career. 😬
Sorry, I had to get this in... I hate to start one of these, but I must say I don't see the team winning the majority, but Spiderman can dodge Colossus very well at his best, and Wolverine can take some hits from Colossus, but he isn't impervious from them.
Originally posted by jinzinIn the start of Wolverine's career he was taken out by a glancing shot from the Hulk. They both have high and low showings, and Wolverine is no more unkoable than Parker is unhittable, at all. It has nothing to do with this "skill" argument that keeps coming up. All fighters have loads of experience, and most of these streets do not go around using all of these high end martial arts moves and poses. It is a fanbase factor which has them both, "look even", even against a vastly physically inferior opponent. Why would he have serious issues dodging a normal fighter, when he can dodge hits from characters like Dock Ock, Carnage, and beyond that, even while distracted and rescuing someone? It simply isn't fair to disregard Logan's lower showings, and keep using ones against the Hulk, when the Hulk's highest showings would put Wolverine to shame anyways. Now if that is the case then we disregard Spiderman's lowest showings and get to use guys like Thor and beyond. Not fair either.
Not when it's a gifted street level fighter of decent quality, more often than not Spiderman takes punishment in those fights... a lot of punishment.Wolverine's showings against opponents with super strength factor his damage soak to be much higher than the strength and damage output of a gorilla... The gorilla feat goes against multitudes of like-evidence.
Spiderman's showings against slower, BUT SKILLED fighters DOESN'T lend to Spiderman dodging their blows all the time he gets hit.
Other faster, and less skilled opponents? Sure, not skilled fighters, him being hit by them doesn't go against multitudes of like-evidence, it's just been that way since the start of his career. 😬
Logan can be hurt by Cap and DD, just like he can be hurt by Hulk and Namor, who have hurt him and dropped him before.
In the forum, Spiderman would stomp a non powered fighter just as easily as Wolverine would, even easier in some situations, considering distance.
Furthermore, like we discussed in the Zoom thread, Spiderman is fighting at his best and isn't holding back, while he isn't trying to kill, he definitely isn't fooling around and he is cutting straight to the point. Spiderman has low showings against guys like say Kingpin especially early on, because of his nature, but here on the forum he gets dropped,, and the gap between a human/peakhuman/low enhanced human and a superhuman was made very clear in a fight between the two. Much more speed, abilities, and Spidersense makes him very difficult to hit, but not unhittable.
Why are we using Logan at his best and not Spiderman, why are feats like Nukes and Thanos usable here? Who decides what is most credible? Characters haven't had problems hurting Logan in his career neither? What is the difference really? Is he healing before the damage is done?
Originally posted by snoopdogg
X-Men vs Agentls of Atlas #2. Gorilla-Man overpowers Logan and kayoes him with a headbutt. He's as strong as a mountain gorilla.
Originally posted by jinzin
No, we use characters at their most credible... "at their best" is a doorway to PIS, and frankly, some characters "at their best" punch and kick the crap out of Spiderman.... Frankly Spiderman "at his most commonly represented" is not too much for skilled fighters to hit, it's been that way his entire career. The only contradiction there is your inability to accept 95% of his fights with people of such calibre because he does get hit.
A lot.The only time Logan tried to cut Colossus he did, we don't know if he can fully penetrate him because he's never tried. Colossus seems to think he can. Your opinions on such matters are not facts... You're just delusional. And yes you can still be a deluded Spidey fan to think that Spiderman loses even when Colossus is too slow too touch him by your logic.. talk about contradictions.
"at their best" is only a doorway to PIS if it contradicts the large majority of a character's showings. Obviously, Spider-man can dodge machine gun fire. Thus getting hit by slower moving enemies is not only a contradiction but it is him not "fighting at his best ability".
And we would just have to agree to disagree about accepting fights that contradict what a character would really do.
The only time Logan tried to cut Colossus he didn't. How dare you tell that bold face lie. Logan couldn't even manage to put a scratch on him.
And Spider-man loses to Colossus either by spidey tiring or a colossal thunderclap.
Originally posted by BattlehammerI didn't bring it up ya f*cking c*ck smoker.
If your going to bring up an event at least get it right. He jump Logan who was fighting another individual, he momentary held Logan's arms, but he also had surprize and leverage, he then head butted Logan, but Logan was neevr knocked out that some crpa you made up. Logan actaully was never onces KO, they needed to tag team him to take him out and the robot dropped huge ass stone on wolverine to pin him to the ground.