Originally posted by ZeuodinOrion? Well DS usually ends up fighting Superman so losing to him it's a big deal since most of his recent fights are pretty much with Superman.
I've never seen DS lose to anyone but Superman. And now we know why as of FC. He was never really seen, all avatars, and Superman's Story protected him from being erased or killed.
As for FC not many battle feat to go by so you can speculate all you like about the “real darksied”.
Originally posted by kgkgNah. The story itself says that they'd never seen the real DS. the only other DS we see is the one from Seven Soilders. In which The earth heroes never met him. Also DS never lost to Orion. He bitches orion with snaps of his wrist. The only Time DS "lost" To orion was some plan of DS. Superman didn't even know who DS was in FC. He didn't know who the New Gods were. It was a bit confusing.
Orion? Well DS usually ends up fighting Superman so losing to him it's a big deal since most of his recent fights are pretty much with Superman.As for FC not many battle feat to go by so you can speculate all you like about the “real darksied”.
There's been lots of suggestions that between COIE and FC (with a few exceptions) the real Darkseid was hiding, presumably in the Source Wall while his Avatars interacted with the DCU in his absence.
Shameless fan-wank? 😖hifty: Yes, but fan-wank supported by on-panel evidence. Sometimes its not even a real Avatar but Desaad impersonating an avatar.
Originally posted by xJLxKingI merely rubbed itin your face how correct I was. I always said that the characters I argued for are well above him and more than strong enough to easily rip the lantern off of him. Atrocitus owned him one on one. I don't see Atrocitus taking him down if he's hiding behind his army of constructs though.
You are so arrogant.
You brought up Larfleeze and Atrocitus to insult me, by your own words you said. What's worse is that you brought Thanos in the argument LFMAOThen you said..
then you claim that Larfleeze was at full power despite him not knowing he will get attacked by Atrocitus, or getting ready to use his corps, or anything like that
Then I confront you about how he beat Atrocitus with onet hit, you claim. Again so idiotic of you considering that Larlfeeze wasn't ready for Atrocitus LFMAo
Then you change your argument to... You admitted that he only beat him one vs on without his constucts
Now you try to act as if army of Orange Lanterns aren't in Larfleeze power set
Seriously this is trolling and I don't know how the mods don't do anything
Lar was at full power he was without his constructs is all. Atrocitus came right for the guy and didn't sneak attack him. He got served. Atrocitus was then attacked after he was distracted.
They are in his powerset and I rubbed it in your face that someone well beneath Thanos and Prime stomped him. It's highly unfair to let Lar's whole crops take on just only Atrocitus. Without his crops Atrocitus beat him.
I never said he oneshotted. That's another reading problem on your part. You really don't understand what most people are saying. The problem is on your end, brah.
I am responding to you. Seriously, grow up and act like you have a pair. You are dragging this out and crying about it. This thread is about the Surfer and Seid. Get back on topic. If you ever feel like manning up and doing the Prime vs. Lar battlezone in the future pm me.
Originally posted by ZeuodinWFc Seid is undebatable. Classic Seid is what can be debated for and against.
I've never seen DS lose to anyone but Superman. And now we know why as of FC. He was never really seen, all avatars, and Superman's Story protected him from being erased or killed.
Originally posted by chomperx9
but superman has taken out darkseid before and many people think that SS can take out superman. and the point to that is that SS would have a shot at darkseid
Originally posted by chomperx9Superman has Taken Out DS before when? The same can be said the other way around. DS took out H/P Doomsday where as Amped Superman couldn't even dent h/P Doomsday.
but superman has taken out darkseid before and many people think that SS can take out superman. and the point to that is that SS would have a shot at darkseid
Superman has beaten Darkseid twice now. The first time was Apokolips Now and that was just poor writing while the second time he was getting slapped around until the fight travelled to the sun and Superman got a sun amp and took the upper hand, it also helps that in both of those cases Superman was fighting for the soul of a friend and the life of a relative respectively. Never get in the way of Superman when he's in protector-mode, he can wreck Skyfathers when he's fighting to save someone else.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Superman has beaten Darkseid twice now. The first time was Apokolips Now and that was just poor writing while the second time he was getting slapped around until the fight travelled to the sun and Superman got a sun amp and took the upper hand, it also helps that in both of those cases Superman was fighting for the soul of a friend and the life of a relative respectively. Never get in the way of Superman when he's in protector-mode, he can wreck Skyfathers when he's fighting to save someone else.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
He got a Sun amp? Well then That one Doesn't count. Did anyone help Superman during these fights? I have to research this.
Originally posted by Omega Visionalso in that one shot justice series DS was invading metropolis and superman knocked DS out solo. forgot which issue
Superman has beaten Darkseid twice now. The first time was Apokolips Now and that was just poor writing while the second time he was getting slapped around until the fight travelled to the sun and Superman got a sun amp and took the upper hand, it also helps that in both of those cases Superman was fighting for the soul of a friend and the life of a relative respectively. Never get in the way of Superman when he's in protector-mode, he can wreck Skyfathers when he's fighting to save someone else.
Originally posted by chomperx9More than a shot. I'd say it's safe to see he wins a solid majority.
but superman has taken out darkseid before and many people think that SS can take out superman. and the point to that is that SS would have a shot at darkseid
Originally posted by Omega VisionDs cannot shoot the omega effect from his hands.
Been a while since I read AN but in S/B the fight was in DS's favor until the fight shifted to the surface of a sun and it was clear that Superman was receiving an amp from it even though it wasn't technically a sundip. In AN I'm pretty sure Superman won by blinding DS and DS forgot that he can shoot energy from his hands or use a ****ing Motherbox to heal his eyes.
Originally posted by ZeuodinThen prove it. Energy beams doesn't equate the omega effect out of his eyes. I guess that means Uxas' statement in an was an example of Darkseid forgetting his own powers.
Yes he can.
Originally posted by xJLxKingI read more dc than you that's for sure.
Don't mind him, he doesn't read DC. He just claims he does
Originally posted by quanchi112
Then prove it. Energy beams doesn't equate the omega effect out of his eyes. I guess that means Uxas' statement in an was an example of Darkseid forgetting his own powers.