Ok, I can finally respond to this, even though is like months apart.
I am kind of a busy person, I'm sure you will understand 🙂
Originally posted by ODG
And I'm sure Thor's godblast respectively held up 1/4th of the entire Marvel Multiverse. I don't really care, although I trust that you do.
I, don't think is the same, It was not the combination or mixture of both powers (Superman and Orion) needed to make the sealing. It was actually each one of them, with their own powers ALONE the ones who created enough energy to seal the rip, not a combination of both, but each.
But I'm sure you "see" this as a shared feat
Originally posted by ODG
#1 I don't believe Superman weakens just because he's out of the sun. Pointing out that he was under the strain of the Earth's core (whether or not gravitational forces were reduced) would be more relevant.
Me neither, but he does not recharge, so at some point he will start "discharging" depending on his stress level, but...
Originally posted by ODG
#2 Like I said, white stars amp him.
Um, I don't see any "extra" juice out of him and He performed things He normally does, where are you getting this "amping" thing? I will say more that He was feeding his cells, but not overcharging as a matter of fact, Atom did mentioned something about it.
Originally posted by ODG
So your speculation on how little it amped him is really meaningless.
Is not, atom says "feeding" if by "feeding" as the sun means he is just amped because he is exposed to it, then it means every time he is under the sun he is "amping" and not only feeding. You think feeding is = amping?
Originally posted by ODG
We're looking at Superman's heat vision, not his amped heat vision. Thor's godblast, not his amped godblast.
This is not an "amped" example, unless you think feeding is = amping, which I'm sure, you don't
Originally posted by ODG
What does this have to do with anything? It's about as irrelevant as pointing out Superman being quite exhausted after killing a group of crappy Doomsday clones on Themiscyra. Except at least that is a feat that has to do with heat vision, whereas your example is a statement that has nothing to do with a godblast.
My example has to do with the amount of energy that mjolnir can generate. Which I think is relevant to the topic at hand, unless you don't think the amount of energy mjolnir can generate has nothing to do with a godsblast.
I know mjolnir can generate enough speed to escape one, but energy directed like a gods blast? I think He said "no"
So, Yes I think is relevant.
Originally posted by ODG
I haven't even brought up that multiple Asgardian amped godblast??? Only Thor's personal godblasts.
Someone else did, that is why I mentioned it.
Originally posted by ODG
I think it's pretty irrelevant, if not misleading. Superman was about 450x closer than the Sun is. Superman did not completely replace the Sun's output as received by Earth. Superman was amped. And as I understand it, this thread is about raw, personal power. Not combined feats or amped feats.
On this example, yes the sun will help and yes I believe I acknowledge branlon about him having some extra juice.
If you think is "missleading", that is your problem, I already covered this before and I am just giving numbers to the feat.
And tbh , you are a little bit of a Superman ooposer, well that is in my opinion, I have no idea if this is just done because you just don't like it or whatever reasons you might have, I know any discussion I might have with you on the subject will rarely convince you. But is always interesting to see other points of view 🙂
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElNecro bump aside, nothing's changed.
Ok, I can finally respond to this, even though is like months apart.I am kind of a busy person, I'm sure you will understand 🙂
I, don't think is the same, It was not the combination or mixture of both powers (Superman and Orion) needed to make the sealing. It was actually each one of them, with their own powers ALONE the ones who created enough energy to seal the rip, not a combination of both, but each.
But I'm sure you "see" this as a shared feat
And I'll just arbitrarily declare that it was each one of them that contributed enough power to ALONE support 1/4th of the sagging Multiverse. Not that the combined power was greater than the sum of the parts.
No sh1t. Orion helped Superman. Wishing Orion's existence and contribution away doesn't change anything.
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElI am getting it from the very same comic where Atom explains that the White Sun amps Superman.
Me neither, but he does not recharge, so at some point he will start "discharging" depending on his stress level, but...Um, I don't see any "extra" juice out of him and He performed things He normally does, where are you getting this "amping" thing? I will say more that He was feeding his cells, but not overcharging as a matter of fact, Atom did mentioned something about it.
Is not, atom says "feeding" if by "feeding" as the sun means he is just amped because he is exposed to it, then it means every time he is under the sun he is "amping" and not only feeding. You think feeding is = amping?
This is not an "amped" example, unless you think feeding is = amping, which I'm sure, you don't
Superman isn't under the white dwarf star. He is literally holding it in his hands, which is different than standing around in the ambient light emitted from the power source millions of miles away. Superman noting that he feels the power also makes this absurdly obvious. Think about it. So trying to speculate on how little it amped him is irrelevant.
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElYou're not even making any sense. Clean up your post because there's no point or relevance here.
My example has to do with the amount of energy that mjolnir can generate. Which I think is relevant to the topic at hand, unless you don't think the amount of energy mjolnir can generate has nothing to do with a godsblast.I know mjolnir can generate enough speed to escape one, but energy directed like a gods blast? I think He said "no"
So, Yes I think is relevant.
Someone else did, that is why I mentioned it.
These posts being separated by over a month didn't exactly help the flow of the conversation either. So be clearer with what you write.
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElSo we don't care about an amped feat. Particularly one where the proper context isn't being given. Just as we don't care about combined or assisted feats. Superman has plenty of heat vision feats on his own, without outside amp sources. So use them instead. If you're not satisfied with how those stack up, that's your problem to sort out. And just because I point out proper context for feats -- that you decided to leave out -- doesn't make me an "ooposer."
On this example, yes the sun will help and yes I believe I acknowledge branlon about him having some extra juice.If you think is "missleading", that is your problem, I already covered this before and I am just giving numbers to the feat.
And tbh , you are a little bit of a Superman ooposer, well that is in my opinion, I have no idea if this is just done because you just don't like it or whatever reasons you might have, I know any discussion I might have with you on the subject will rarely convince you. But is always interesting to see other points of view 🙂
Originally posted by ODG
Necro bump aside, nothing's changed.
Thanks captain obvious. I needed that 🙄
Originally posted by ODG
And I'll just arbitrarily declare that it was each one of them that contributed enough power to ALONE support 1/4th of the sagging Multiverse. Not that the combined power was greater than the sum of the parts.No sh1t. Orion helped Superman. Wishing Orion's existence and contribution away doesn't change anything.
You think this is a shared feat? please explain how?
There is a two door entrance in which I close ONE door with my own power and you close the other, how is that a shared feat???
Are you trying to say that just because you helped into closing one side of the door, I could not close the other side by myself for some reason?
Is this why this is a "shared" feat according to you???
Originally posted by ODG
I am getting it from the very same comic where Atom explains that the White Sun amps Superman.Superman isn't under the white dwarf star. He is literally holding it in his hands, which is different than standing around in the ambient light emitted from the power source millions of miles away. Superman noting that he feels the power also makes this absurdly obvious. Think about it. So trying to speculate on how little it amped him is irrelevant.
TBH, I have to re-read this again, but IIRC he Atom says, you are feeding out of it, I don't recall ever saying "amp" I have to check the comic again, just to make sure, but me thinks you are wrong
Originally posted by ODG
You're not even making any sense. Clean up your post because there's no point or relevance here.These posts being separated by over a month didn't exactly help the flow of the conversation either. So be clearer with what you write.
Oh boy, classic ODG here.
I guess if Thor states that he cannot generate enough energy to escape a black hole with mjolnir, kind of relates to the topic at hand. It does not gets clearer than that.
Originally posted by ODG
So we don't care about an amped feat. Particularly one where the proper context isn't being given. Just as we don't care about combined or assisted feats. Superman has plenty of heat vision feats on his own, without outside amp sources. So use them instead. If you're not satisfied with how those stack up, that's your problem to sort out. And just because I point out proper context for feats -- that you decided to leave out -- doesn't make me an "ooposer."
Nah! I am ok with what has been shown, peps asked for what he has done on the level and it was shown, you might want to diminish it by saying is a "shared" feat like the Orion one, but is not.
I just think, you might don't like it. And context has been discussed here, is not like posting Hulk scans claiming that nerve gas does not affects him, when clearly it does, or like claiming that Thor "one shotted" Abomination deciding to leave out that THOR was aware of all the events and he basically caught Abomination by surprise.
Or like stating that Silver Surfer has nanosecond reaction time with a scan that is depicting a hallucination. 😎
IIRC You have done a couple of those 😄 , but no problem dude, I still like you 😉
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElBecause more than one person is involved. This isn't a case of semantics clouding the issue, this is just you trying to wish away Orion being there doing what Superman's doing also and helping. And failing.
Thanks captain obvious. I needed that 🙄You think this is a shared feat? please explain how?
There is a two door entrance in which I close ONE door with my own power and you close the other, how is that a shared feat???
Are you trying to say that just because you helped into closing one side of the door, I could not close the other side by myself for some reason?
Is this why this is a "shared" feat according to you???
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElI'm sure you "re-reading" it will help cure your oversight.
TBH, I have to re-read this again, but IIRC he Atom says, you are feeding out of it, I don't recall ever saying "amp" I have to check the comic again, just to make sure, but me thinks you are wrong
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElIt actually has little to do with this topic. #1 Let us know when Superman ends up dealing with an alternate reality black hole that is powered by Celestial-manipulated Galactus that is devouring the universe. #2 Even the Black Celestial didn't escape it. #3 Thor actually teleported them away to safety anyway while the Black Celestial got devoured.
Oh boy, classic ODG here.I guess if Thor states that he cannot generate enough energy to escape a black hole with mjolnir, kind of relates to the topic at hand. It does not gets clearer than that.
So what sort of point are you even trying to make here??? Aside from your failed bluff to act like this was some sort of ordinary black hole?
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElSuperman and Orion are doing that feat together. I'm sure in your fanmade fiction, Orion ain't around. But we're dealing with the real comics, not with your imagination.
Nah! I am ok with what has been shown, peps asked for what he has done on the level and it was shown, you might want to diminish it by saying is a "shared" feat like the Orion one, but is not.I just think, you might don't like it. And context has been discussed here, is not like posting Hulk scans claiming that nerve gas does not affects him, when clearly it does, or like claiming that Thor "one shotted" Abomination deciding to leave out that THOR was aware of all the events and he basically caught Abomination by surprise.
Or like stating that Silver Surfer has nanosecond reaction time with a scan that is depicting a hallucination. 😎IIRC You have done a couple of those 😄 , but no problem dude, I still like you 😉
Rewriting history isn't your forte. You're the one that pretended that Hulk had no nerve gas resistance feats. To which several scans of him resisting it should have shut you up. Trying to pretend that didn't happen isn't remedying your blunder. So Thor surprising Abomination (mind you, Abomination is looking at him so it wasn't like a cheap-shot from behind) means my ability to appreciate context is worse than your's? #1 Had I tried to argue that Thor didn't surprise Abomination, you might have a point. Respect Threads aren't debates, and Thor one-shotting Abomination is, in fact, what happened. #2 You, on the other hand, keep trying to argue that Superman didn't have Orion helping him or didn't have a white sun amping him.
So, really, not your day. Next time you take a month and a half to pen a response to a dead thread, aim higher. Because unintentionally (but hilariously) highlighting your own bumbling hypocrisy isn't helping you any.
Originally posted by ODG
Because more than one person is involved. This isn't a case of semantics clouding the issue, this is just you trying to wish away Orion being there doing what Superman's doing also and helping. And failing. I'm sure you "re-reading" it will help cure your oversight. It actually has little to do with this topic. #1 Let us know when Superman ends up dealing with an alternate reality black hole that is powered by Celestial-manipulated Galactus that is devouring the universe. #2 Even the Black Celestial didn't escape it. #3 Thor actually teleported them away to safety anyway while the Black Celestial got devoured.So what sort of point are you even trying to make here??? Aside from your failed bluff to act like this was some sort of ordinary black hole? Superman and Orion are doing that feat together. I'm sure in your fanmade fiction, Orion ain't around. But we're dealing with the real comics, not with your imagination.
Rewriting history isn't your forte. You're the one that pretended that Hulk had no nerve gas resistance feats. To which several scans of him resisting it should have shut you up. Trying to pretend that didn't happen isn't remedying your blunder. So Thor surprising Abomination (mind you, Abomination is looking at him so it wasn't like a cheap-shot from behind) means my ability to appreciate context is worse than your's? #1 Had I tried to argue that Thor didn't surprise Abomination, you might have a point. Respect Threads aren't debates, and Thor one-shotting Abomination is, in fact, what happened. #2 You, on the other hand, keep trying to argue that Superman didn't have Orion helping him or didn't have a white sun amping him.
So, really, not your day. Next time you take a month and a half to pen a response to a dead thread, aim higher. Because unintentionally (but hilariously) highlighting your own bumbling hypocrisy isn't helping you any.
BUMP!
All I read is your bitterness on the post.
It stands Superman has feat comparable to those of Thor as much as you hate it.
Kind of pointless to re-read all that and respond accordingly, it has been too long since my last post.
I must say that I am kind of sorry for being so busy on my business, so between pwning idiots online and making money, is a no brainer to guess which one I prefer, though BOTH are rewarding one pays the bills the other one don't
So if you think Superman has nothing on Thor's ballpark, be my guest, Who am I to change your world?
But you are still wrong.
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElExactly. 👆
Kind of pointless to re-read all that and respond accordingly, it has been too long since my last post.
See you in another two months with another half-hearted attempt to revive a discussion that has gone so horribly for you on every factual front, it literally takes you months to recover. But even should you try again, this remains true:
Originally posted by ODG
Necro bump aside, nothing's changed.
The thing with the GB, imho, is that it is meant to be an "ultimate strike," not generally part of Thor's standard arsenal. When all else fails, it's GB time.
HV never struck me as being in that category. If anything, it always struck me as (for lack of a better term) an auxillary power: still highly impressive and useful, but not Superman's primary striking force -- that distinction would go to his punches -- and certainly not his last-resort, ultimate weapon.
Case in point: in the JLA/Avengers crossover, Thor stood up to HV pretty damn well; it took a super knuckle sandwich to down him.
Or: in COIE, did Superman fight mostly with HV or punches?
(I suspect Superman used HV to take out a swarm of Doomsday clones mostly because he could cover a large area quickly, and the feat did exhaust him.)
Given that these two characters are close in power, in all fairness to the GB, I don't see HV as the more powerful of the two. All things in their place.