Zeuodin: I think you should have also linked the page right before, where Supes donkey-punched Diana in the back of the head, with it just knocking her to the ground and having her look up at him with the "WTF?" look (which is on the following page, which you also posted). It shows how she can take blunt attacks from such people practically as well as they can, themselves... (I remember all this debate back then, too, when more fanbois who didn't get how Diana had evolved over time were like "Hunh? Why isn't she dead?" and similar statements of ignorance...)
Originally posted by Zeuodin
Thor is no where near super Fast like CM or Orion. Thor is a slug compared To wonder woman who is faster than everyone on the field. Superman has already stated in wonder woman 174 that CM and Wonder Woman punch the same. Read it and weep.
Thor has beaten foes who have "superspeed" greater than or equal to say like a Wondy. He is always shown to up his ability when fighting opponents with speed. Has easily shown superhuman reflexes many a time. Has beaten Gladiator in a straight up match for example. Gladiator has "superspeed". Opponents also have to deal with that darned hammer of his. It helps him versus speedsters since he can control it to go FTL!
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Thor has beaten foes who have "superspeed" greater than or equal to say like a Wondy. He is always shown to up his ability when fighting opponents with speed. Has easily shown superhuman reflexes many a time. Has beaten Gladiator in a straight up match for example. Gladiator has "superspeed". Opponents also have to deal with that darned hammer of his. It helps him versus speedsters since he can control it to go FTL!
Originally posted by tideoftime
Zeuodin: I think you should have also linked the page right before, where Supes donkey-punched Diana in the back of the head, with it just knocking her to the ground and having her look up at him with the "WTF?" look (which is on the following page, which you also posted). It shows how she can take blunt attacks from such people practically as well as they can, themselves... (I remember all this debate back then, too, when more fanbois who didn't get how Diana had evolved over time were like "Hunh? Why isn't she dead?" and similar statements of ignorance...)
That is a pretty impressive showing. Back of the head?? Geez! I saw that somewhere, can't remember where.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
Thor is no where near super Fast like CM or Orion. Thor is a slug compared To wonder woman who is faster than everyone on the field. Superman has already stated in wonder woman 174 that CM and Wonder Woman punch the same. Read it and weep.
CM already matched SM in Strength to read that and weep and Superman said H2H CM has the advantage.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
And we all know Colossus and hulk must have Superspeed too because they also foguth Gladiator. 🙄
I doubt they can beat him straight up though. Now hulk on the other hand is kinda funny how he is portrayed from time to time. it's pretty much understood that when having class 100 str, you gotta have some degree of superhuman speed. This goes for all bricks without the use of flight and such. If your leg can press waaaay over 100 tons, there is no way in hell you can be a slug!!!! If you go by in proportion to most bruiser's weight, there has to be some degree of superspeed. Now if you are class 100 and weigh over 1000 tons, you lose speed there. Writers always play this game with readers. Spiderman easily dodges Hulk's blow etc. etc. THat's only because it's hard to tip toe through a match like that. In reality, spiderman should be dead in a few min. Hell, less than a minute if just one blow connects. Then they have Hulk fighting foes that have the "speed" advantage and always seems to rise above the "slug" concept.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17I'm basically saying Thor fighting Gladiator isn't indicative of any Superspeed reflex or sustained movement.
I doubt they can beat him straight up though. Now hulk on the other hand is kinda funny how he is portrayed from time to time. it's pretty much understood that when having class 100 str, you gotta have some degree of superhuman speed. This goes for all bricks without the use of flight and such. If your leg can press waaaay over 100 tons, there is no way in hell you can be a slug!!!! If you go by in proportion to most bruiser's weight, there has to be some degree of superspeed. Now if you are class 100 and weigh over 1000 tons, you lose speed there.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
That is a pretty impressive showing. Back of the head?? Geez! I saw that somewhere, can't remember where.
The links that Zeuodin posted on the last page, with the vampire controlling Superman, and two pages of Diana and him battling. The one page starts with Diana on the ground looking up a Clark, with a serious "WTF?" look -- on the page before that, he had just whammed her by surprise, from behind, with a donkey-punch right to the back of the skull, and she wasn't even stunned (hurt, I am sure, and with a lump there, no doubt, but far from anything serious).
EDIT: The page I am referring to is the one *not* posted; it's before the two he did post, which is the one where she gets hit by surprise. Just clarifying.
Originally posted by tideoftime
The links that Zeuodin posted on the last page, with the vampire controlling Superman, and two pages of Diana and him battling. The one page starts with Diana on the ground looking up a Clark, with a serious "WTF?" look -- on the page before that, he had just whammed her by surprise, from behind, with a donkey-punch right to the back of the skull, and she wasn't even stunned (hurt, I am sure, and with a lump there, no doubt, but far from anything serious).
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/509/jla96174us.jpg
It doesn't hurt or knock her out.
Originally posted by ZeuodinHe was describing what makes them formidable. Saying dude you are a terrible is showing me I am inside your head and has no place here.
Dude. You are just terrible. DS is describing each of his opponents. He isn't describing why they are stalemating. You make me wanna curse you are such aweful. In the fight Orion is not using his Astro force and his mother box is calming his rage. So obviously he isn't using his rage. You argument thus falls flat on it's pathetic ass. It is pathetic you know.She does say he is so strong. So this is what Superman has to say about Wonder woman. since we are taking what characters say into account.
He says they are even in power
http://img79.imageshack.us/i/jla96196qa.jpg/Here she trades blows with Superman
http://img74.imageshack.us/i/jla96188xe.jpg/In wonder woman 174 superman says Diana and Captain marvel punch the same. Should I keep going or are you embarrassed enough yet?
I was describing what Orion would need to do to best Supes. If he thinks he is as strong as supes and wants to beat him that way it ain't happenin.
There are all kinds of statements going back and forth. We have seen Supes' fists ko WW. Has WW ever beaten him?
Marvel is his exact equal when they match up while WW isn't. That trumps these bogus statements of yours. WW's own words he's so strong. That doesn't support your stance that they are equal.
In your own scan Supes puts her down. LOL. That doesn't bode well for your argument. The fight I am referencing is WW taking an all out Superman punch. It wrecks her.
Originally posted by tideoftimeShe crept up behind him. Lord was feeding him images so he would still believe it was DD. The only reason supes was left open to this cheapshot and unaware of her location was because of his state of mind. How you don't get it and how you underscore Superman here is beyond me. Bottom line is she can't take on Superman and trade blows as he is stronger.
HIDING?What the f#ck are you talking about?
She moved out of sight while he was about to attack, and got him from behind -- all that took place in "bullet time", from our mortal POV, as it would take no time for him to track her heart beat, which means it took only a second or so for that to occur. That it was displayed over a few panels was for story/presentation reasons. And before you even think about debating that, remember that the entire encounter, from his pushing her out of where Lord was, to her returning back to Lord, took place in 1 minute, 53 seconds (as per Lord relating that from Brother Eye's tracking them). Also, once Diana had Clark stunned, she could have immobilized or killed him with her weopons, but that wasn't her goal at that point, as she didn't want to kill him and realized that unless she dealt with Lord, this wasn't going to end, and therefore went back to deal with him.
And as far as Diana dying in space, (or similar situation, for example), well DUH. Her being put through what Superman did was to demostrate how TOUGH she is, and what kind of beating she can take, which should have been a wake up call for more casual readers that "geez, Wonder Woman is a lot tougher than I ever remember Linda Carter being...", and not to drive home what weaknesses or circumstances she is still vulnerable to. I mean, seriously, we know she can't survive in space for any protracted period; that's like shoving a kryptonite pole up Clark's ass and saying "See -- he ain't all that tough"...
And Zeuodin is right: nothing of what you are saying is actually helping your debate. The Orion/Superman scan you brought up -- and your comments concerning it -- do show clearly that subtext and layering of a scene is pretty lost on you.
(Not attacking you, personally, or being mean... just I find your lack of perspective disturbing, as unlike most generic fanbois who just post crap left-right-and-center, you seem more potentially reasonable; that makes this flaw of perception all the more grating...)
The same goes for Thor and Marvel.
She used k-nite, was ko'd once already, and had her wrist easily broken. If anything it makers her durability look worse. Supes doesn't easily ko Marvel and snap his wrists when they get into it. Wow.
Zeuodin claimed Ds stated Orion was a physical peer to Ds while he only stated Superman was.
I could care less about you two WW fans agreeing when I am 100 percent correct in my assessment.
Originally posted by ZeuodinNo, he isn't.
Thor is no where near super Fast like CM or Orion. Thor is a slug compared To wonder woman who is faster than everyone on the field. Superman has already stated in wonder woman 174 that CM and Wonder Woman punch the same. Read it and weep.
Originally posted by quanchi112You are giving opinions. Your refutes aren't refutes. They suck. clearly. You twist what is on panel to suit you and use character references to hold up your own theories while when i use the same tactic you all in the same breath dismiss them. terrible debater. I'm done with you. i have clearly kicked your ass. You won't even address the scans and post that clearly pwn you. You have no statement about the fact that she pulled martian Manhunter out of a ****ing black hole. do you know how strong you have to be? black Holes chew galaxies.
He was describing what makes them formidable. Saying dude you are a terrible is showing me I am inside your head and has no place here.I was describing what Orion would need to do to best Supes. If he thinks he is as strong as supes and wants to beat him that way it ain't happenin.
There are all kinds of statements going back and forth. We have seen Supes' fists ko WW. Has WW ever beaten him?
Marvel is his exact equal when they match up while WW isn't. That trumps these bogus statements of yours. WW's own words he's so strong. That doesn't support your stance that they are equal.
In your own scan Supes puts her down. LOL. That doesn't bode well for your argument. The fight I am referencing is WW taking an all out Superman punch. It wrecks her.
She crept up behind him. Lord was feeding him images so he would still believe it was DD. The only reason supes was left open to this cheapshot and unaware of her location was because of his state of mind. How you don't get it and how you underscore Superman here is beyond me. Bottom line is she can't take on Superman and trade blows as he is stronger.
The same goes for Thor and Marvel.
She used k-nite, was ko'd once already, and had her wrist easily broken. If anything it makers her durability look worse. Supes doesn't easily ko Marvel and snap his wrists when they get into it. Wow.
Zeuodin claimed Ds stated Orion was a physical peer to Ds while he only stated Superman was.
I could care less about you two WW fans agreeing when I am 100 percent correct in my assessment. No, he isn't.
Originally posted by ZeuodinWhen?
Orion fought a sun amped Superman who'd bitched the entire JLA. CM has never fought a sun amped Superman. It was Orion who was held in reserve.
Originally posted by ZeuodinGladiator did use his speed throughout the fight. When Thor quit holding back he stomped Gladiator. Gladiator was out to stop Thor at all costs.
I'm basically saying Thor fighting Gladiator isn't indicative of any Superspeed reflex or sustained movement.
Originally posted by ZeuodinSupes didn't rare back or anything for that punch. Don't get me wrong it's impressive but he is mindcontrolled again. When he punched her and good in ww 219 she was temporarily ko'd.
Superman Sucker Punches Diana in the back of the head while she's not even ready or lookinghttp://img74.imageshack.us/img74/509/jla96174us.jpg
It doesn't hurt or knock her out.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
Superman Sucker Punches Diana in the back of the head while she's not even ready or lookinghttp://img74.imageshack.us/img74/509/jla96174us.jpg
It doesn't hurt or knock her out.
Ah ok it pretty impressive. Not as impressive as i initially thought because it looks like he didn't put much weight or momentum into that punch. Impressive nonetheless because that's Supes! Plus it was directily at the back of her head. That would KO almost anyone.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
Superman Sucker Punches Diana in the back of the head while she's not even ready or lookinghttp://img74.imageshack.us/img74/509/jla96174us.jpg
It doesn't hurt or knock her out.
I think you and I just use different wording/phrasing: when I say "hurt", I mean I am certain that it was not a pleasant sensation, and not that she was "hurt", as perhaps meaning wounded, et al...
Originally posted by ZeuodinIt's an impressive feat and I don't dispute the fact she is strong, but the point is Superman has exceeded her best. No matter how bad you want her to be in this elite crowd she isn't there yet and her showings don't prove as much.
You are giving opinions. Your refutes aren't refutes. They suck. clearly. You twist what is on panel to suit you and use character references to hold up your own theories while when i use the same tactic you all in the same breath dismiss them. terrible debater. I'm done with you. i have clearly kicked your ass. You won't even address the scans and post that clearly pwn you. You have no statement about the fact that she pulled martian Manhunter out of a ****ing black hole. do you know how strong you have to be? black Holes chew galaxies.
Originally posted by quanchi112He was sun amped and angry. She wasn't fighting back. Anyone else would be killed by a punch like that. You are insufferable.
When? Gladiator did use his speed throughout the fight. When Thor quit holding back he stomped Gladiator. Gladiator was out to stop Thor at all costs. Supes didn't rare back or anything for that punch. Don't get me wrong it's impressive but he is mindcontrolled again. When he punched her and good in ww 219 she was temporarily ko'd.
