Originally posted by valtiz
wtf? dude are you seriously some kind of thor fanboy or what? seriously the guy cant fight for shit he just slag it out in ordenery fist fights and skillwise he is always outclassed and out fought by hercules in hand 2 hand , if thor lose his powers and he only use fist fights it wont take more then 3 prisoners to beat him up and rape him since thor only slug it out and thats a fact
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Originally posted by valtiz
wtf? dude are you seriously some kind of thor fanboy or what? seriously the guy cant fight for shit he just slag it out in ordenery fist fights and skillwise he is always outclassed and out fought by hercules in hand 2 hand , if thor lose his powers and he only use fist fights it wont take more then 3 prisoners to beat him up and rape him since thor only slug it out and thats a fact
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Oh yeah!Me and Bran totally forgot about people using knives! Of course, how can a guy who'll bench half a ton and has thousands of years worth of fighting experience stand up against a home-made shank. There goes our argument.
if you really believe that king pin wont get stubbed while fighting 3 guys who will attack at the same time you are either a king pin fanboy (are those even exist) or your just arguing for an argument because king pin doesnt have the states and abilities to avoid 3 attacks at the same time and his big disadvantage is his fat ass or how you would like to call it his mass
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor has an impressive amount of skill. And from what I understand of their dampening powers, Thor is still a 6 foot 7 monster, with at least near or peak human strength. He'd be running the place.
thats only your thor fanboy speculation nothing more then that unless you can provide a proof that hje is peak human without his powers or does being a 6'6 automatically make you a peak human because there are hell alot of people who are 6'6 in this world
Some people clearly arent grasping the concept here. Size doesnt matter that much. Thor I'll admit may be one of the biggest people in here. But when he gets stuck with a HIV infected needle his size wont matter. He'd be walking in a crowd and get a blade in his back and never know who did it. He doesnt have the senses that Captain America or Wolverine have. Capt spotted his own sniper in a large crowd. Thor has never been able to do that. And again prison isnt dangerous because you fight people 1 on 1 in h2h fights. Its dangerous because you get killed in your sleep, or attacked in a shower by a large group, or stuck by someone for no reason at all. No one is saying Kingpin is tougher than Thor. They are saying he adapts to this situation better.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Heh, anyone who attacks Thor with a knife would be a dead man. Attacking Thor with a knife is almost as stupid as attacking him with a hamer.Thor would disarm his opponent and toss it between his attackers eyes. His accuracy is freaking ridiculous.
Thor has some of the best accuracy in comics period. He'd make Green Arrow embarrassed. I've seen him do shit like aim and toss a man at an asteroid, toss shit like a giant pillar hundreds of feet long from the ocean to a specific hole in the heart of New York. I mean he must have tossed it countless of miles and he was at ground level as I recall. No height to aim. Of course he had powers when he did these feats and he has impressive superhuman senses. Hell, I recall them once being compared to Heimdall.
There was the time he accurretly take out two snipers on a roof top that dropped Rogers while he was human.
are you for real? does thor have any super speed or reflex? no... if we take away his powers he wont have any super speed or reflex which means he wont be able to avoid 3 people attacking him at the same time with knives he will get stubbed and die
since when does thor have spider-sense? please explain me how is thor going to avoid being stubbed while he is eating and someone is coming behind him and stub him while he is eating or walking in line, he doesnt have anything to warn him he will just get stubbed and dont even dare to try and tell me he got years of experience because he is no where near the skill levels of shang chi iron fist wolverine captain america, the guy is just a slugger and from thousand years of fighting i would expect thor having some real fighting technique beside slug it out like he normally does and losing to hercules
Originally posted by valtiz
thats only your thor fanboy speculation nothing more then that unless you can provide a proof that hje is peak human without his powers or does being a 6'6 automatically make you a peak human because there are hell alot of people who are 6'6 in this world
A powerless Thor with reduced body mass etc. was keeping up with Captain America and doing just as well as him. Thor's spirit in a human body was taking on an entire Castle worth of knights, killed a dragon among other shit.
He has been shown as peak or near peak human when in human form.
Originally posted by valtiz
are you for real? does thor have any super speed or reflex? no... if we take away his powers he wont have any super speed or reflex which means he wont be able to avoid 3 people attacking him at the same time with knives he will get stubbed and diesince when does thor have spider-sense? please explain me how is thor going to avoid being stubbed while he is eating and someone is coming behind him and stub him while he is eating or walking in line, he doesnt have anything to warn him he will just get stubbed and dont even dare to try and tell me he got years of experience because he is no where near the skill levels of shang chi iron fist wolverine captain america, the guy is just a slugger and from thousand years of fighting i would expect thor having some real fighting technique beside slug it out like he normally does and losing to hercules
If Thor while human can dodge and avoid over a dozen trained and armed guards without even so much as a scratch and completely annihilate them all, then yes he can definitely take on 3 prison inmates and do just fine easily. Heck Thor as a human is so fast, he was outrunning Captain America.
He said, an opponent would come after Thor. I responded to that comment. No where was the fact they'd jump him come in.
Yes he has experience. That counts. Thor is a brawler so what? His skill is sufficient to drop a Class 40 opponent. Thor is not fancy but as effective as the flashy martial arts. Just because he doesn't usually do back flips and shit, and instead dodges a punch and uses his brawling technique to defeat an opponent doesn't mean he doesn't have impressive hand to hand skills. You don't have to be able to do pressure points to be considered extremely skilled. What is it with people nowadays? It's all about looks. His not leaving after images? It isn't super speed. His not doing fancy moves? His not a skilled fighter.
His skill was sufficient enough to save Captain America's life and defeat the opponents who dropped him, as well as keep up and do just as well as him. So clearly what he does is effective.
Normally losing to Hercules? Hercules got the upper hand once in the end of the fight. So what? Thor got the upper hand in the middle of fight as well. Hercules is slightly better than Thor when it comes to that kind of combat, but the ****er invented wrestling or something like that.
Mortal Hercules was going toe to toe and knocking around Savage Hulk because of his skill.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
A powerless Thor with reduced body mass etc. was keeping up with Captain America and doing just as well as him. Thor's spirit in a human body was taking on an entire Castle worth of knights, killed a dragon among other shit.He has been shown as peak or near peak human when in human form.
crossbones was able to defeat cap in afight and most times he is equel with him so is crossbones a peak human? gambit is able to beat gangs and large group of people with fighting so he is a peak human? unless you provide some facts instead of speculations your point is invalid
and my main point is still out there how is thor going to avoid being stubbed by 3 people at the same time who jump him while he is walking unless he got spider-sense or he can read minds i dont see that happen
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If Thor while human can dodge and avoid over a dozen trained and armed guards without even so much as a scratch and completely annihilate them all, then yes he can definitely take on 3 prison inmates and do just fine easily. Heck Thor as a human is so fast, he was outrunning Captain America.He said, an opponent would come after Thor. I responded to that comment. No where was the fact they'd jump him come in.
Yes he has experience. That counts. Thor is a brawler so what? His skill is sufficient to drop a Class 40 opponent. Thor is not fancy but as effective as the flashy martial arts. Just because he doesn't usually do back flips and shit, and instead dodges a punch and uses his brawling technique to defeat an opponent doesn't mean he doesn't have impressive hand to hand skills. You don't have to be able to do pressure points to be considered extremely skilled. What is it with people nowadays? It's all about looks. His not leaving after images? It isn't super speed. His not doing fancy moves? His not a skilled fighter.
His skill was sufficient enough to save Captain America's life and defeat the opponents who dropped him, as well as keep up and do just as well as him. So clearly what he does is effective.
Normally losing to Hercules? Hercules got the upper hand once in the end of the fight. So what? Thor got the upper hand in the middle of fight as well. Hercules is slightly better than Thor when it comes to that kind of combat, but the ****er invented wrestling or something like that.
Mortal Hercules was going toe to toe and knocking around Savage Hulk because of his skill.
thorwithout his powers avoiding guards is a PIS did all the guards attack him at the same time? because he isnt suppose to b e able to fight off a group of people at the same time he is not that fast and not that skilled
what skills are you talking about? when did he ever show real fighting skills beside punching and getting punched? his only technique is to punch and get punched back like some piniada so i guess the hulkis also extremely skilled right? because hulk and thor are on thesame skill level seing how they fight and go punch for punch
and again explain me how is he going to avoid being stubbed by 3 guys at the same time when walking
Originally posted by valtiz
crossbones was able to defeat cap in afight and most times he is equel with him so is crossbones a peak human? gambit is able to beat gangs and large group of people with fighting so he is a peak human? unless you provide some facts instead of speculations your point is invalidand my main point is still out there how is thor going to avoid being stubbed by 3 people at the same time who jump him while he is walking unless he got spider-sense or he can read minds i dont see that happen
What the ****? If Crossbones is equal to Captain America most of the time in straight up fights then what the hell would he beat if not near or peak human? You don't even know what the hell you are saying.
Not in strength, but Gambit has peak/borderline superhuman speed/agility as I understand it.
I just provided you with facts. Thor as a human was keeping up and doing just as well as Captain America against multiple opponents until the point even Captain America is shocked at how well his doing. So yes his peak or near peak human based on his comparison to Captain America and all the ridiculous shit he did as a human such as climb a large mountain in circled in fire and reach the top, go past the flame, and not be so much as freaking winded.
He didn't expect a castle full of knights to attack him either, but the shit still happened and he reacted and defeated them.
Originally posted by valtiz
thorwithout his powers avoiding guards is a PIS did all the guards attack him at the same time? because he isnt suppose to b e able to fight off a group of people at the same time he is not that fast and not that skilledwhat skills are you talking about? when did he ever show real fighting skills beside punching and getting punched? his only technique is to punch and get punched back like some piniada so i guess the hulkis also extremely skilled right? because hulk and thor are on thesame skill level seing how they fight and go punch for punch
and again explain me how is he going to avoid being stubbed by 3 guys at the same time when walking
Except he has done that almost EVERY single time he was human. When Odin placed his soul and being in a human form, he took on gangs of multiple people and knights like 3 times.
And the last few times we saw Thor human, he defeated 2 superhuman trolls, defeated a Class 50 by punching him out, and with Captain America literally took an entire army of opponents. Thor was fighting like ten guys with guns and lazers at the same time, dodging and knocking their shit out.
So maybe, just maybe, you don't know what the hell you are talking about, spewing nonsense from your ass, and I am right, and Thor IS that fast and skilled as apparently, the comics support my stance, and not yours.
Punching requires skill. Brawling is a type of fighting. Just because it doesn't involve back flips does not mean it isn't fighting skill.
The Hulk is a horrible analogy because Thor allows the Hulk to hit him. He tanks his blows because he can, not because he can't dodge them. It's clearly been shown on panel, that when Thor uses his speed, he moves too fast for the Hulk to even see where he went, and Thor punks him. And it's also been stated that Thor is undoubtedly faster, so I don't see exactly how that proves anything. When Thor needs to dodge attacks because his human etc. he does.
Because he avoided getting stabbed by over a dozen skilled opponents before, that's why.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What the ****? If Crossbones is equal to Captain America most of the time in straight up fights then what the hell would he beat if not near or peak human? You don't even know what the hell you are saying.Not in strength, but Gambit has peak/borderline superhuman speed/agility as I understand it.
I just provided you with facts. Thor as a human was keeping up and doing just as well as Captain America against multiple opponents until the point even Captain America is shocked at how well his doing. So yes his peak or near peak human based on his comparison to Captain America and all the ridiculous shit he did as a human such as climb a large mountain in circled in fire and reach the top, go past the flame, and not be so much as freaking winded.
He didn't expect a castle full of knights to attack him either, but the shit still happened and he reacted and defeated them.
agree with me that if crossbones, agent zero, and hell evencyclops fought along side captain america they could have dont the same in a hand 2 hand fight because its not that hard to beat a group of people , cyclops who is athletic level at everything was able to beat man so? fighting along side cap and doing well against people doesnt put you in thepeak human department
when thor fought those knights it was different because thor was expecting to fight and he was in themiddle of an action, while walking down theline in prison or sitting and eating which will limit his movement while sitting and then getting attacked at the same time by 3 people? uless you got super human feats or skills to the level of cap and wolverine you wont be able to do crap
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusAnd the last few times we saw Thor human, he defeated 2 superhuman trolls, defeated a Class 50 by punching him out, and with Captain America literally took an entire army of opponents. Thor was fighting like ten guys with guns and lazers at the same time, dodging and knocking their shit out.
i reallystoped reading after this, first of all areyou sure he was depowered to human stets and didnt have his powers? because if he really didnthave his powers then should he really beable to do thingslike that? knocking out a class 50 being? its a total PIS or thor had his powers its 1 of the 2
Originally posted by valtiz
agree with me that if crossbones, agent zero, and hell evencyclops fought along side captain america they could have dont the same in a hand 2 hand fight because its not that hard to beat a group of people , cyclops who is athletic level at everything was able to beat man so? fighting along side cap and doing well against people doesnt put you in thepeak human departmentwhen thor fought those knights it was different because thor was expecting to fight and he was in themiddle of an action, while walking down theline in prison or sitting and eating which will limit his movement while sitting and then getting attacked at the same time by 3 people? uless you got super human feats or skills to the level of cap and wolverine you wont be able to do crap
No but keeping up with Captain America, and doing just as well as him in a fight, where there can be direct comparisons does prove that his almost if not at Captain America's level. This is further backed up by the fact that Thor was outrunning Captain America because of his speed.
Eh? As I recall, Thor entered the castle to meet the king etc. and the knights jumped him because they wanted to test him. It's not like they jumped from the shadows, but they surprised him as he wasn't expecting it as I recall.
The fact that Thor is in a prison full of criminals, some that he helped put away, automatically removes the chance of Thor not being alert. He isn't stupid.
Thor would pick up the table he was eating on and bash the hell out of them. As I recall, he picked up a massive wooden table, casually, after he punched out a grizzly bear when human but I'm not sure about the last part and I can't check. On my laptop not PC.
I don't see how 3 random dudes would provide more challenges than an army worth of skilled opponents, but hey that's just me, using logic and common sense, what do I know, amirite?
Originally posted by redhotrash
So very many flaws in these arguments. Thor can avoid a Hulk punch but doesnt? Are you kidding? And yes Gambit is peak human. One of his mutant powers is increased agility and such. These debates are going circling the drain quickly.
If you'd actually read their first fight it shows that when Thor wants to? Guess what he moves so fast the Hulk cannot even see where he went and it's been stated that Thor is undoubtedly faster. So yes Thor does take hits because he can, not because he can't dodge them.
Same with someone like Juggernaut. His been tagged many times, but when pissed off, he dodged every single one of his blows and was about to lay him out.
He does it because he can. Every time when he needs to, he pours on the speed and you can see a clear difference.
/sigh For the 5th time, Thor isnt fighting 3 guys. Hes constantly having to watch his back. As in 24/7. He pisses off a guard with his hollier than thou attitude and it gets even worse. He wont be confronted head on. A mass fight breaks out and bam, hes being stabbed in the heart. You are clearly very confused on this scenario.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No but keeping up with Captain America, and doing just as well as him in a fight, where there can be direct comparisons does prove that his almost if not at Captain America's level. This is further backed up by the fact that Thor was outrunning Captain America because of his speed.Eh? As I recall, Thor entered the castle to meet the king etc. and the knights jumped him because they wanted to test him. It's not like they jumped from the shadows, but they surprised him as he wasn't expecting it as I recall.
The fact that Thor is in a prison full of criminals, some that he helped put away, automatically removes the chance of Thor not being alert. He isn't stupid.
Thor would pick up the table he was eating on and bash the hell out of them. As I recall, he picked up a massive wooden table, casually, after he punched out a grizzly bear when human but I'm not sure about the last part and I can't check. On my laptop not PC.
again you didnt answer me how is he going to avoid being stubbed by 3 guys when he is not expecting, and dont give me that bullcrap that he is always ready he will go nuts if he will think and expect 24 hours a day thathe is about to fight, he needs to eat he needs to shower and this is where he is going to get stubbed he cant do crap if he is taking a shower and suddenly 3 people attack him at the same time from behind
I don't see how 3 random dudes would provide more challenges than an army worth of skilled opponents, but hey that's just me, using logic and common sense, what do I know, amirite?
Originally posted by valtiz
i reallystoped reading after this, first of all areyou sure he was depowered to human stets and didnt have his powers? because if he really didnthave his powers then should he really beable to do thingslike that? knocking out a class 50 being? its a total PIS or thor had his powers its 1 of the 2
Yup. Actually according to his wiki his Class 30 but that's you know a wiki, but still far above the human range.
Yea, Balder drained his godly strength and power through Odin to help fight Set and his forces.
Thor then while powerless, knocked him senseless. Here's the fight:
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
[b]While powerless and mortal, Thor shows tremendous skill and strength, by defeating Grog, the God Crusher in combat!
What did Grog learn from this? Mortal or Immortal, do not piss off Thor.
Like I said, Thor at the very LEAST has peak human or near peak human strength when mortal. And that's if he loses his Asgardian physical body, which he did in terms of mass as I recall during the Captain America incident.
