Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Since point fighting is reliant on speed and more strategy, I think Cap is more inclined towards it honestly. Doesn't mean as much in a real fight, but I think this is more his alley. IMO.
Originally posted by BattlehammerNot arguing Caps speed, more of his way of thinking than anything. This just seems like his type of match. I'd give him like 6.5 out of ten.
But he not faster, and strategy has no more play then normal in my opinion His style of fighting is not overly good for point fighting either. Some one like shang-chi or DD I feel have styles of fighting for point fighting. but thats just my opinion.
Originally posted by BattlehammerDD would be good for point fighting
But he not faster, and strategy has no more play then normal in my opinion His style of fighting is not overly good for point fighting either. Some one like shang-chi or DD I feel have styles of fighting for point fighting. but thats just my opinion.
I think cap has the reach advantage against logan though
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No. He doesn't. Show them.
Wolverine moves so fast locking system of helicopter can’t even keep up
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9079/wolverine1618qu4uc3.jpg
Wolverine moves faster than Mac Hudson can comprehend:
1. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6031/fastgl6.jpg
Here the scan of everyone been talking about
1. http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8915/sabesab5.jpg
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Um no. That's exactly the one I was thinking about. Just because StiltmanFTW was referring to another one doesn't mean I was referring to that one. Try not to confuse posters. I know about both of those feats since jinzin laughably posted those to "match" Cap's. Keep your ad hominem to yourself, schmuck.
Post them.
Just because you dislike what it shows, does not give you the right to ignore it. It clearly shows Logan dodging bullets after they are fired. But hey I can top that as well.
Wakes up from the niose of the bullets being shot and dodges them
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/6536/silenceri.jpg
lets see your excuses for this one.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
How about you don't dictate who I talk to? Backseat-mod much?
thanks to jinzin and stiltman for scans
Originally posted by Battlehammer
wolverine not street leveler.No he really doesent, his style of fighting is not good for point system, Logan superior knowledge of different MA would give him an advantage.
He smaller true, but he also a harder target to hit. Wolverine stamina is as good if not better. He does not have more finesse in the least, wolverine does not need to dodge, but has shown to be just as good as capt when the event calls for it as shown in there origins fight. Capt not faster in the slightest wolverine has superior speed feats. Wolverine posses super human level stats and also had his body physically enhanced by the same program. Capt not Marels bets h2h fight nor does that mean anything in point sparring.
Yes wolvi is street level. He has peak human stats, that makes him street level like DD and Batman. Cap is just above peak human.
Wolvi has high and low showings of his speed, depending on the writer. so does cap. but then again, wolvi has never been stated to have metahuman or superhuman speed. he has PEAK human speed (unless you can show me an unbiased statement saying otherwise).
cap has always been stated as one of MU's best h2h fighters, claiming otherwise is simply bull.
also just so you know, boxing is one of the best fighting styles for point system, and the ducks and dodges in boxing are almost unparalleled by any other MA. I'm not saying it's the best MA (it doesn't really have counters for kicks) but i just want to point out that you can't simply rule out boxing. It may not be as fancy as kung fu or as brutal as krav maga, but you can't disagree about it's effectiveness.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes wolvi is street level. He has peak human stats, that makes him street level like DD and Batman. Cap is just above peak human.Wolvi has high and low showings of his speed, depending on the writer. so does cap. but then again, wolvi has never been stated to have metahuman or superhuman speed. he has PEAK human speed (unless you can show me an unbiased statement saying otherwise).
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6473/wolverinesabilitieswt6.jpg
Originally posted by FrothByte
cap has always been stated as one of MU's best h2h fighters, claiming otherwise is simply bull.
Originally posted by FrothByte
also just so you know, boxing is one of the best fighting styles for point system, and the ducks and dodges in boxing are almost unparalleled by any other MA.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm not saying it's the best MA (it doesn't really have counters for kicks) but i just want to point out that you can't simply rule out boxing. It may not be as fancy as kung fu or as brutal as krav maga, but you can't disagree about it's effectiveness.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes wolvi is street level. He has peak human stats, that makes him street level like DD and Batman. Cap is just above peak human.Wolvi has high and low showings of his speed, depending on the writer. so does cap. but then again, wolvi has never been stated to have metahuman or superhuman speed. he has PEAK human speed
KMC has the best most comprehensive wolverine respect thread on the interweb - take 20 mins and have a read through for christ sake, the statements you made are so wrong i don't know where to begin.
NO!! don't reply , take your fingers off the keyboard, you don't need the keyboard inorder to 'clickty click' your way to the respect thread. you can reach it in 4 clicks from this very messege. And i won't bother check back here for a reply because i know you'll find all the evidence you need waiting for you, and then you shall be enlightened.
Now GTFO!
Originally posted by Juk3n
KMC has the best most comprehensive wolverine respect thread on the interweb - take 20 mins and have a read through for christ sake, the statements you made are so wrong i don't know where to begin.NO!! don't reply , take your fingers off the keyboard, you don't need the keyboard inorder to 'clickty click' your way to the respect thread. you can reach it in 4 clicks from this very messege. And i won't bother check back here for a reply because i know you'll find all the evidence you need waiting for you, and then you shall be enlightened.
Now GTFO!
Originally posted by Battlehammer
No he not you could not be anymore incorrect. Nothing bias about it your wrong simple as that. Logan never been stated on pannel ever as being peak-human thats some crap you made up and are quite miss informed. Oh and you might have wanted to look at the scans I already presented right above your very post.......Never said he wasent, you said he was the best which is wrong. Wolverien also one of the best.
No it not at all clearly need to educate your self. Boxer would get utterly murder in point fighting matches vs numerous martial art styles. There far to one demensional.
Not saying it not effective, it simply not good for point sparing. Nor is krav maga. Point fighting is not the same as fighting, and many of the most effective styles in real fights would not be effective in point sparing.
Kudos, it seems it is stated somewhere that he has superhuman strength. any idea just how much? coz according to sites like these:
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/w/wolverine.htm
http://www.marveldirectory.com/strengthlevels/human.htm
http://marvel.wikia.com/Strength_Scale
Wolverine is only stated (consistently) to have a max press of 800 lbs (and during berserk can maybe sometimes boost up to 2 tons since he is sometimes shown as breaking chains).
i changed my mind about the stamina issue, coz it seems wolvi's healing factor does allow him to have longer stamina.
as for boxing and point systems, give me 3 other MA's that can undeniably claimed as having a better technique for point systems than boxing.
Juk3n: What's with all the sarcasm and anger? did i insult your grandma or something? grow up and learn to debate nicely.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes wolvi is street level. He has peak human stats, that makes him street level like DD and Batman. Cap is just above peak human.Wolvi has high and low showings of his speed, depending on the writer. so does cap. but then again, wolvi has never been stated to have metahuman or superhuman speed. he has PEAK human speed (unless you can show me an unbiased statement saying otherwise).
cap has always been stated as one of MU's best h2h fighters, claiming otherwise is simply bull.
also just so you know, boxing is one of the best fighting styles for point system, and the ducks and dodges in boxing are almost unparalleled by any other MA. I'm not saying it's the best MA (it doesn't really have counters for kicks) but i just want to point out that you can't simply rule out boxing. It may not be as fancy as kung fu or as brutal as krav maga, but you can't disagree about it's effectiveness.
Here you are. Hyper-reflexive speed.
It was also stated on panel that he can move faster than human eyes can follow.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Kudos, it seems it is stated somewhere that he has superhuman strength. any idea just how much? coz according to sites like these:http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/w/wolverine.htm
http://www.marveldirectory.com/strengthlevels/human.htm
http://marvel.wikia.com/Strength_ScaleWolverine is only stated (consistently) to have a max press of 800 lbs (and during berserk can maybe sometimes boost up to 2 tons since he is sometimes shown as breaking chains).
i changed my mind about the stamina issue, coz it seems wolvi's healing factor does allow him to have longer stamina.
as for boxing and point systems, give me 3 other MA's that can undeniably claimed as having a better technique for point systems than boxing.
Juk3n: What's with all the sarcasm and anger? did i insult your grandma or something? grow up and learn to debate nicely.
It's over 800 Ibs. He's been stated on panel to have superhuman strength, he has feats to back it up, what more do you want? Oh and in berserk he got free from Ursa Major's bearhug. And no, he doesn't need to go berserk to break shackles or chains... 😐
It was outright stated on panel that he has enhanced stamina.
Like Juk3n said, go to the revamped respect thread and educate yourself.
I love wolverine but I give cap the edge in fighting ability. Speed, damn, rage posted a good speed feat with cap outracing 3 bullets that was shot (and battle hammer, he outraced the bullets. It clearly showed redskull shooting 3 bullets and thats what hit cap shield).
Wolverine has some impressive speed feats also, like out racing speed demon for a short distance. He even have speed feats of running across a room like quicksilver, dodging blast BUT I'm going to give credit where its due (and I'm a HUGE wolverine fan and know just as much about him than anyone on KMC), cap is the better fighter out of the two (damn it hurt me saying that). In a fight without limitations like this, I give it to wolverine almost every damn time.
