POINTS MATCH: logan vs cap

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OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I find it hard to believe he had enough time to learn all these styles. That was his own statement anyway. Not the impartial narration. It could be argued that he just tried to intimidate Zemo.
Speculation. There's no reason to doubt his own statement and nothing in his career suggests he doesn't possess that level of fighting ability.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Right, ignore Logan's feats and continue using your favorite scan. In every thread you do the same. A thought that you are taking that feat too literally at the art never crossed your mind? And it's not like Logan doesn't have similar feats:

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5402/kwls2pg18lowresnc4.jpg (posted earlier by BH)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9711/wolviebullye1.jpg

In both cases that wasn't just a single bullet.

Similar doesn't mean equal. If you believe the former shows that Wolverine couldn't possibly be moving when the bullets were already fired, then just look at the previous page of the first scan provided you bothered to do so before posting it. The second scan has Wolverine in the process of ducking and weaving and if you simply look at the bullet placement, you'll see that Wolverine didn't even need to duck further for the shoulder shots or duck much further than an inch for the chest shot. Just look at his silhouette as they're shooting!
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Oh yes, he did. He moved back and covered face with his hand. Logan complimented him 'cause he didn't counter-attack him.
Because he wasn't fooled at all into thinking Wolverine would attack him. As they both acknowledge. What possible reason would Cap have to be terrified then?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Fair enough.

Has the impartial narrator ever stated that Steve moves faster than human eyes can follow?

Likely. Can't think of one right now. Are we talking about a narrative or character statement?

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Oh he certainly does, but we will start with some of his lower end ones and see if you can match them first.

Wolverine moves so fast locking system of helicopter can’t even keep up
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9079/wolverine1618qu4uc3.jpg

Wolverine moves faster than Mac Hudson can comprehend:
1. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6031/fastgl6.jpg

Here the scan of everyone been talking about
1. http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8915/sabesab5.jpg

Match what? The Cap scans I and others have shown have already clearly surpassed (i) a helicopter pilot missing him and not seeing him duck under, (ii) a character not realizing what has happened, or (iii) moving in a blur almost faster than someone's eyes could follow. Are you even kidding me? What are these supposed to prove other than being inferior? I never argued that Wolverine doesn't have inferior feats.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Just because you dislike what it shows, does not give you the right to ignore it. It clearly shows Logan dodging bullets after they are fired. But hey I can top that as well.

Wakes up from the niose of the bullets being shot and dodges them
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/6536/silenceri.jpg

lets see your excuses for this one.

The bullets are not fired when Logan's still on-panel in the previous chair scan. You know why? Because the action cuts away from Logan and we don't even see him. That has nothing to do with "disliking them" or you erroneously assuming I was considering a wholly different scan and projecting StiltmanFTW's statement onto me.

First, admit that's not a sniper rifle as you suggested earlier. 9mm bullets are pistol bullets, not sniper rifle bullets. Second, give me the issue number so I can see the context. I'd like to know where the shooters are. If they're right next to him, then that's comparable to Cap's.

Or I can just be ridiculous and use your excuse that "Red Skull's first three bullets are not the same ones as the ones Cap blocked (the first three somehow magically missed/disappeared)" and conveniently suggest that "the first three bullets that made sounds are not the same ones Wolverine dodged (those first three somehow magically missed/disappeared)." Is that the excuse you thought I was going to make? Did you just manage to project your own excuses onto me?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
How about you realize this is a public forum and if you wish for only a single individual to respond to your post, how about you uses the PM function which is why it is there in the first place……
I wasn't even telling you that I only wanted StiltmanFTW to respond to me, ffs! I was explaining to you that I was disagreeing to StiltmanFTW's original statement, "Cap does more blocking than dodging anyway" and NOT responding to your side-argument with FrothByte! That's it.

After I said "He does both more often" you came in and asked, "How does that make you better?" Because you had been arguing with Frothbyte who did state that Cap does more dodging and was consequently better at this sort of match-up.

You were obviously projecting FrothByte's position onto me and assuming I was agreeing with him/disagreeing with you when I posted my response to StiltmanFTW. But I never took my statement that far. I was just contending with StiltmanFTW's assertion that Cap does more blocking than dodging. But because you were obviously projecting, I was explaining that my statement only ever had to do with StiltmanFTW's and not your side argument with FrothByte.

Sorry if I didn't spell that out to you to make sure that you didn't think I was demanding you not respond to me. Which doesn't even make sense considering that in that very same post I was engaging you in a debate! Jebus.

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

cap can block most of logans slashes if he wants to, he might block all of them to be honest.

the infamous gladiator owning the FF then reed defeating him by figuring out how his power works was thanks to captain america covered by an illusion of reed blocking gladiator's onslaught and reducing his confidence.

if i had the scan you can clearly see gladiator using his speed to batter and firing heat vision at the image of reed grinning at him to no avail, cap was the one blocking all of that and he wasn't even pushed back by any of it....he even had a smile on his face when it was all over.

Lord Feron Senior Member
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
1. http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3029/invisicaptb2.jpg
2. http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/9459/invisicap2uf8.jpg
credit to jin

looks like he knew it was coming and flat out dodged it to me....

Brutacus Senior Member

point match I would put my money on cap.

The fight would start on there feet so it would give cap to score some point's thanks to his longer arms and legs and he is a good enough fighter to fight defends iff he was on his back, to wait till the ref would put them on there feet again.

other fight wolverine would gut him