The Blade of Olympus vs. The Master Sword (actually it's Kratos vs. Link)

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Read it, picked it apart.

Makes no sense.

Lern2basicmorality.

Morality is human interpretations and based on how people see a person for what he is, to the point opinion. You interpret him evil, I interpret him not evil based on his universal different and how they define morality/laws.

ex. The south in the civil war was depicted as evil by North people for their holding of slaves and laws making them to secure this right. There was several properganda depicting them torturing their slaves(this may be true back in 1600s but 1800s change this once they start seeing them as investments) but to the South they defined it as a necessary good.

now are they evil?

the situation is argue here in Kratos vs Link. Kratos universe never had the laws of the LOZ universe. so it can't be evil to treat the Captain that way considering the Spartan's hate cowards and consider it a sin to leave troops behind in battle.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Read it, picked it apart.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
No you didn't 😐. It wasn't even the discussion that I was countering 😐. The Master Sword and Link had nothing to do with it.

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Originally posted by Phanteros
Morality is human interpretations and based on how people see a person for what he is, to the point opinion. You interpret him evil, I interpret him not evil based on his universal different and how they define morality/laws.

This, for the most part, is true.

Originally posted by Phanteros
the situation is argue here in Kratos vs Link. Kratos universe never had the laws of the LOZ universe. so it can't be evil to treat the Captain that way considering the Spartan's hate cowards and consider it a sin to leave troops behind in battle.

As for the Captain, he wasn't the captain of an army, he was the captain of an ordinary ship. Cowardice probably had nothing to do with it, even though he was one.

Why are you people still arguing whether or not Kratos is evil? We've already established that against pure evil like Ganon Link is still outmatched even with the MS, so it makes no difference whether Kratos is an angel or Satan himself, he still outclasses Link exponentially in every are imaginable. Kratos stomps no matter his reasons for his actions.

Kratos is evil, and no amount of "but to him..." will change the fact that everyone can agree killing for joy is an evil act, and that is what he did/does.

Besides which point the sword is from LoZ and operates under LoZ laws, which actually aren't even different than any other laws. The sword smites Kratos.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Why are you people still arguing whether or not Kratos is evil? We've already established that against pure evil like Ganon Link is still outmatched even with the MS, so it makes no difference whether Kratos is an angel or Satan himself, he still outclasses Link exponentially in every are imaginable. Kratos stomps no matter his reasons for his actions.

I was debating the Hades thing with iChaos.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Kratos is evil, and no amount of "but to him..." will change the fact that everyone can agree killing for joy is an evil act, and that is what he did/does.

Besides which point the sword is from LoZ and operates under LoZ laws, which actually aren't even different than any other laws. The sword smites Kratos.

He chose to kill the captain. Chose to go raping and pillaging, chose to do all sorts of evil acts.

He's evil. 😐 I don't see why this is such a hard concept to grasp?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
He chose to kill the captain. Chose to go raping and pillaging, chose to do all sorts of evil acts.

He's evil. 😐 I don't see why this is such a hard concept to grasp?

Once again, even if Kratos were indwelt by the devil himself, he still owns Link. The LoZ series has show time and time again that even the most evil beings like Ganon still aren't instantly killed by the Master Sword, and Kratos' feats are infinitely better than Link's.

When did he rape people? You ignored the fact that he's a servant not a chooser.

And nah, his first act as the God of War was to go around waving his diefic penis at anythign that wasn't sparta. Randomly waging war with no just cause? Evil act.

Yeah, Athena did state that he destroyed citites.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
If the Captain is not good, fair enough, your point holds. However, it can't be an 'evil' act (Kratos letting the Captain die) since he left an evil person to die, and y'all have no problem with Link killing the evil guys. In fact, it should be a 'good' act, since he stopped the 'evil' guy from escaping and gave him what he deserved (torment).

If the Captain is good or not evil, then your point about Hades being the place where evil souls go, does not hold.

~ Seeing as Tartarus & the Elysium Fields exist and are part of the Underworld in the GoW-verse, I doubt it's different from the myths.

As for the daughter, we only know that she was in the Elysium fields. There is no evidence to suggest that she was dropped in or immediately went to the Elysium Fields just after she died.

Maybe it was a plot device? I don't know.

Not really.

I thought Elysium Fields wasn't stated to be where it was?

There is no evidence that she didn't either.

Kratos also sacrificed a Spartan(?).

Nah, it wasn't a plot device. I doubt the captain was evil.

It didn't need to be stated 😬. Firstly, Persephone holds considerable power there, and she is the Queen of the Underworld.
Secondly, the fight against Atlas and Persephone took place in the Underworld. We fight them just after leaving the Elysium. There's no teleport or warp that takes place, just a flight by Persephone.

True, but I don't think anyone has ever entered the Elysium fields directly without first going through the Styx and such.

Originally posted by iChaos
Yeah, Athena did state that he destroyed citites.

He was the God of War after all, or rather bloodlust. What did you expect him to do, plant daisies?

OH. MY. GOD.

I get finally get back and I find this BS thread?! Lets's get started...

Kratos is evil, first off. It doesnt matter what Kratos' intentions are, or what good he's done in the past, or even what Link himself thinks about Kratos. It's the Master Sword that decides whether someone is good or evil. So, the discussion about Kratos having evil properties is over. He does, as far as the MS is concerned. Period. Meaning, Kratos is weak to it.

Next, the BoO is only as strong as its wielder. Here's a piece from the GoW wiki:

"Unknown to Kratos, Zeus tricks him into draining all of his godly Power into it, supposedly giving Kratos the "strength to destroy all.""

Kratos had to dump all of his own power into it. This leads us to conclude that the Sword's strength varies with the weilder's strength. Also, Kratos is an neanderthal who appearantly is easily mindgamed.

"Zeus starts attacking as a giant, but when Kratos stabbed the blade through Zeus's hand, Zeus shrinks to the size of a mortal man, suggesting the blade had stolen some of Zeus's power; though Zeus eventually regrows, suggesting he retook his power when he stole the blade from Kratos."

This shows that the BoO can temporarily drain energy, although the said energy can be reclaimed.

How about some MS facts?

The Master Sword prevents any TK (i.e. the force, psychic manipulation, ect.) from working on Link. Proof of this is the Bongo Bongo attack in OoT. Shiek got freaked up by BB's TK, but Link had to be attacked directly instead of TK. Same thing with the Zant fight in TP.

The Master Sword makes Link impervious to curses and the like. Even "permanent" curses are nullified by the MS. Proof of this is the MS drawing scene in TP. Link is permanently a wolf, but just being in the mere presence of the Sword makes Link purified of the curse.

"The Master Sword is a blade that evil ones may never touch." I cant remember right now if it was Shiek or Rauru that said this, but either way, this is pretty simple.
Kratos = evil, Evil = no touching MS. 'Nuff said.

The Master Sword IS time. Here's a quote from Shiek in OoT: "As long as you hold the Master Sword, you hold time itself in your hands."

The Master Sword is indestructable and immune to the ravages of time and the elements. Be observant in TP. The proof is there.

Well, there's a scintilla of info for you. Chew thoroughly before swallowing.

Erm no it doesnt mean he is weak to anything, it just means the MS will perhaps some kind of unfounded and unpecified bonus against him. And show me the factual database that outlines the MS choosing its own morales and deciding anything.

Most of your MS feats are blind assumptions based on the simple idea that Link wasnt made a tool of by TK or some other form, you cannot actually show a foe not using TK and actually claiming or commenting on the fact its because of the MS.

Link is saved by one curse and you claim he is impervious to curses? lol.....thats a no limit fallacy and furthermore hardly evidence that the sword makes him impervious to any curse.

Kratos doesnt plan on touching it and if he did, theres no proof that anything will even happen. Characters are sometimes falliable and I doubt those characters are omnicient.

The same goes for the rest of your quotes, has the MS actually been tested against anything as powerful as Kratos or his weapons?

"as powerful as Kratos"

Kratos isn't more powerful than Ganon...

Especially not in terms of durability.

Originally posted by iChaos
"as powerful as Kratos"

Kratos isn't more powerful than Ganon...

He is stronger and has more weapon types. He also has a lot of sorceries. Hes more powerful where it counts against Link.

Physically.

Otherwise, he isn't.