The Blade of Olympus vs. The Master Sword (actually it's Kratos vs. Link)

I guess I worded it wrong. My point was basically the first part of what I'd said in that there people arguing him being evil are the ones bringing up anything philosophical. Fitting the source is actually beside my point.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Link hasn't killed anyone in canon. He only fights the bosses when they attack, and the ones that aren't totally evil don't die.

This is a confusing post. First you say Link doesn't kill anyone but then you say the ones who aren't evil don't die.

Whatever. Anyway, Link has killed more than just bosses and I doubt he skipped killing Stalfos and Iron Knuckles in OoT.

I'm sure there were Hyrule knights getting slaughtered by Link back in LttP. Lets not forget about the Keese, snakes, and rats.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Disagreed, Link carries Kratos' anathema.

And you're assuming the Master Sword will kill him instantly despite no proof of it ever killing an evil being in one hit? That's just like claiming a Pichu's thundershock would KO Lugia in one hit.

So Link kills animals?.....

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Greek Hades is not synonymous with Judeo-Christian Hell. In Ancient Greek mythology Hades was the place where ALL dead mortals went, regardless of their actions in life.

No. "Good" people went to Elysium Fields and "Bad" people went to Hades. And this is pretty obvious because if "all dead mortals" went there then why didn't Kratos daughter go to Hades?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
1. We're arguing in circles about this whole 'alignment' thing, so any further debate is pointless really.

Also, FC is right. Whenever someone in Greek Myths died, they went a certain place in Hades. From there, they were either sent to Tartarus (where the damned ones go), or the Elysium (where the virtuous ones go). Tartarus and Elysium are just two areas in Hades. That's about the basic explanation.

Wise choice 😛.

See above.

Even if Kratos were more evil than Lucifer himself it wouldn't change the fact that he would utterly destroy Link in any fight.

I don't know what Link you're speaking of, but the Link from Legend of Zelda does not have a single item that can instantly kill anything evil. Even when Link is armed with not only the Master Sword, but also all his other items, he is still the underdog in all his fights with the undeniably evil Ganon. All the MS gives him is a chance against evil beings much more powerful than himself, it is in no way a trump card or instant killer of evil.

All of this is pointless, however, as Kratos is not truly evil. In either situation though Kratos picks up Link by his ankles and tears him in half.

Furthermore its only through fan fiction, no limits fallacy and reaching that this whole idea of the Mastersword protecting him against evil has come about.

@iChaos:

Elysium is WITHIN Hades.

The Master Sword protects Link.

And yeah, I left some things out of the other post. Link hasn't killed anyone but bosses in Canon. And then for bosses like the second one in Twilight Princess which is a person possessed by evil, the person does not die.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Link hasn't killed anyone but bosses in Canon.

So you're saying Link has spared every Stalfos, Iron Knuckle, Leever, Moblin, Peahat, Darknut, Dodongo, Gibdo, ReDead, Octorok, LikeLike, Wizrobe, etc.?

Proof please.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
So you're saying Link has spared every Stalfos, Iron Knuckle, Leever, Moblin, Peahat, Darknut, Dodongo, Gibdo, ReDead, Octorok, LikeLike, Wizrobe, etc.?

Proof please.

You need to prove he hasn't, because none of that has happened in anything canon. It was all gameplay.

I even used that argument in a different thread. It didn't fly there either.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
The Master Sword protects Link.

Lol no. If that were the case then Ganon wouldn't have handed Link's ass as soundly as he did both times in WW, the second of which being AFTER the sword's power was restored. At best, it expells evil from within him/keeps other such oriented magic at bay, it doesn't protect him from being utterly manhandled by physically superior characters i.e. Kratos.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You need to prove he hasn't, because none of that has happened in anything canon. It was all gameplay.

🙁 You can't be serious.

Even if it isn't a cutscene, there is no way Link could've made it to all those bosses without killing the flunkies in his way. Where do you think he gets deku seeds and sticks if he hasn't even touched a Deku Baba?

I dont think its canonically done much of anything outside of specific plot elements, its just a snazzy sword thats supposed to be good against evil. Fact is the amount of times Ganon has returned from its attacks seems to prove even that wrong.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
@iChaos:

Elysium is WITHIN Hades.

Irrelevant. And besides, it is not Hades itself.

And isn't that Link bullshit a no-limit fallacy?

Irrelevant. And besides, it is not Hades itself.

It's entirely relevant, and it is a part of Hades itself. Kratos being in Hades has nothing to do with him being good or evil, all it proves is that he was dead.

Yeah, the Master Sword protects Link from a lot of Ganon's game breaking powers, like possession and death curses. TK, too.

Doesn't matter Sin, you need to prove it.

And Kratos isn't physically superior.

Kratos isn't physically superior to Link? I suppose atomic weapons aren't more destructive than cast iron filled with black powder then.

Show me proof Kratos is physicly superior. This is amssive wank and overhyping of his feats.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
It's entirely relevant, and it is a part of Hades itself. Kratos being in Hades has nothing to do with him being good or evil, all it proves is that he was dead.

No, it proves that he is bad. "It" being a part of Hades means nonething. Esylium Fields is "a part" of Hades, but guess what? Kratos' daughter didn't go to Hades, now did she? If he wasn't "bad" then why didn't he go to Esylium Fields, then (and it even says this in Greek Myth)? It's obvious that Hades is a punishment for people who were bad. I mean, look at The Barbarian King.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice

Doesn't matter Sin, you need to prove it.

It's you who needs to prove something. If Link only killed bosses, the Legend of Zelda would be Shadow of the Colossus.

And Kratos isn't physically superior.

Kratos does strength feats throughout his games. He ripped monsters apart, tore off Cerberus heads, prevented himself from being squashed between Atlas's fingers, knocked down a bronze giant when he was about to be stomped, swing huge pillars like a bat, and impaled a huge hydra head by pulling it with to a pole, and flipped over a temple. OoT Link lifted a huge pillar, with Golden Gauntlets.

Link can push heavy blocks? Kratos does that faster and could send them flying several feet by kicking them.