Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Here's a question: Has anything ever affected her through the bracers before?
As such? No. In Post-Crisis continuity (when the concept of what the bracers were was changed, and in later issues expanded on) the power of the bracers has never failed or been overcome. Now, has this been played up/down in various stories? Absolutely. In stories where it wasn't a desired effect (such as the before mentioned most recent fight with Amazo, where Diana didn't deflect/resist his sonic attack with her bracers, while in many other stories she has blocked area sonic(et al) attacks) then it is fair to say "it didn't work", at least from a story POV. But in general concept, no.
And keep in mind, her Aegis-effect, when it does happen, has usually demonstrated as being most effective against energy attacks, or repelling the power of gods; against gross physical attacks (bullets, fists, Aunt May with a frying pan) she has to use her speed/strength to intercept the attack with her bracers, however much a tiny fraction of a second it requires, so it still isn't an absolute panacea against *all* forms of attack. (Though the one scan from a JL story where she was deflecting multiple rapid-fire attacks from a full circle around her was pretty impressive).
It's late... I am tired... tired of defending WW... will sleep, and see if somebody new gets picked on tomorrow...
Originally posted by tideoftimeyou dont to defend WW if you dont want to.
As such? No. In Post-Crisis continuity (when the concept of what the bracers were was changed, and in later issues expanded on) the power of the bracers has never failed or been overcome. Now, has this been played up/down in various stories? Absolutely. In stories where it wasn't a desired effect (such as the before mentioned most recent fight with Amazo, where Diana didn't deflect/resist his sonic attack with her bracers, while in many other stories she has blocked area sonic(et al) attacks) then it is fair to say "it didn't work", at least from a story POV. But in general concept, no.And keep in mind, her Aegis-effect, when it does happen, has usually demonstrated as being most effective against energy attacks, or repelling the power of gods; against gross physical attacks (bullets, fists, Aunt May with a frying pan) she has to use her speed/strength to intercept the attack with her bracers, however much a tiny fraction of a second it requires, so it still isn't an absolute panacea against *all* forms of attack. (Though the one scan from a JL story where she was deflecting multiple rapid-fire attacks from a full circle around her was pretty impressive).
It's late... I am tired... tired of defending WW... will sleep, and see if somebody new gets picked on tomorrow...
Originally posted by tideoftime
As such? No. In Post-Crisis continuity (when the concept of what the bracers were was changed, and in later issues expanded on) the power of the bracers has never failed or been overcome. Now, has this been played up/down in various stories? Absolutely. In stories where it wasn't a desired effect (such as the before mentioned most recent fight with Amazo, where Diana didn't deflect/resist his sonic attack with her bracers, while in many other stories she has blocked area sonic(et al) attacks) then it is fair to say "it didn't work", at least from a story POV. But in general concept, no.And keep in mind, her Aegis-effect, when it does happen, has usually demonstrated as being most effective against energy attacks, or repelling the power of gods; against gross physical attacks (bullets, fists, Aunt May with a frying pan) she has to use her speed/strength to intercept the attack with her bracers, however much a tiny fraction of a second it requires, so it still isn't an absolute panacea against *all* forms of attack. (Though the one scan from a JL story where she was deflecting multiple rapid-fire attacks from a full circle around her was pretty impressive).
It's late... I am tired... tired of defending WW... will sleep, and see if somebody new gets picked on tomorrow...
Why feel the need to defend WW? 😛 and why allude to the possibility of her getting picked on?
I was simply asking a fair question to come to a more logical conclusion as to who can win here. Truth of the matter is, I concede the fact that I don't know that much about WW (especially compared to the numerous other more learned posters here-such as yourself).
Anyway, if the Aegis effect has never been penetrated, then how is it possible for her opponents to even hurt her?
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Why feel the need to defend WW? 😛 and why allude to the possibility of her getting picked on?I was simply asking a fair question to come to a more logical conclusion as to who can win here. Truth of the matter is, I concede the fact that I don't know that much about WW (especially compared to the numerous other more learned posters here-such as yourself).
Anyway, if the Aegis effect has never been penetrated, then how is it possible for her opponents to even hurt her?
Gotta get the kid ready for school, but in short:
I specified that the effect varies depending on the writer/story: it is "played up/down", and gave a quick example. Also, I stressed it was not an absolute defense, as such, by any means; while most effective against energy/gods' power attacks, it is not so much against gross physical attacks (bullets, fists, giant boulders, Aunt May with a hairpin) which require Diana's speed/strength to repel (granted, not a feat she commonly fails). She has resisted very powerful attacks via her bracers; she has also been in HtH fights/caught by surprise/fought against beings with comparable strength/speed (Superman, et al), where her defenses, while useful and effective, were not absolute.
And I wasn't meaning anyone in particular was picking on her as a character, just that it seems to have been a underscored theme over the past 10 days or so. Gotta make breakfast.
In the interest of being fair and balanced (as there are a number of posts in Respect that show her deflecting everything short of the sun) I went looking for an example of where the bracers "failed" -- that is, Diana wasn't able to block an attack she was aware of under normal(ish) circumstances and *actually* was trying to block -- not an easy task, as it is a rare thing, but then I remembered a relatively recent issue of WW (#29), where she had to capture the Cheetah to get information, and Barbara cut her something good 'n plenty. In one panel, Diana is clearly going to block Cheetah, and fails, with Cheetah cutting her arm(s) beneath the bracers. Perfect example of a gross physical attack making it through, though with a couple caveats involved:
1: The Cheetah's combat reflexes/instant move is faster than Diana's (and Superman's, Captain Marvel's, et al; with her being only marginally behind the Flash now in terms of combat speed); this is due to her gaining greater understanding of her powers/nature under Zoom, and later Circe. (And she was a blur for several panels, even from Diana's perspective, so blocking would be difficult, though Diana has deflected FTL attacks before).
2: Diana was already pretty f'd-up from going multiple rounds with Genocide (who herself had spent the better part of her time pounding half the JL, including Firestorm, Green Lantern, Flash, and others -- Diana was in worse shape than after the Lord/Superman fight).
But there are a few other examples -- don't have any old books around that aren't in storage. Generally, nothing is getting past her bracers/Aegis effect when in play, but there are circumstantial exceptions, and therefore it is not foolproof.
Afterthought: while Diana, herself, might resist BB's scream, in whatever manner, she could certainly be overcome/caught circumstantially via collateral effects: buildings/terrain around her collapsing on top of her; the ground beneath her vibrating/shifting violently (forcing her to fly, which is not necessarily a good thing); being unable to save/protect anyone else; etc. Those are valid tactical points, especially in a forum fight.
Originally posted by tideoftime
In the interest of being fair and balanced (as there are a number of posts in Respect that show her deflecting everything short of the sun) I went looking for an example of where the bracers "failed" -- that is, Diana wasn't able to block an attack she was aware of under normal(ish) circumstances and *actually* was trying to block -- not an easy task, as it is a rare thing, but then I remembered a relatively recent issue of WW (#29), where she had to capture the Cheetah to get information, and Barbara cut her something good 'n plenty. In one panel, Diana is clearly going to block Cheetah, and fails, with Cheetah cutting her arm(s) beneath the bracers. Perfect example of a gross physical attack making it through, though with a couple caveats involved:1: The Cheetah's combat reflexes/instant move is faster than Diana's (and Superman's, Captain Marvel's, et al; with her being only marginally behind the Flash now in terms of combat speed); this is due to her gaining greater understanding of her powers/nature under Zoom, and later Circe. (And she was a blur for several panels, even from Diana's perspective, so blocking would be difficult, though Diana has deflected FTL attacks before).
2: Diana was already pretty f'd-up from going multiple rounds with Genocide (who herself had spent the better part of her time pounding half the JL, including Firestorm, Green Lantern, Flash, and others -- Diana was in worse shape than after the Lord/Superman fight).But there are a few other examples -- don't have any old books around that aren't in storage. Generally, nothing is getting past her bracers/Aegis effect when in play, but there are circumstantial exceptions, and therefore it is not foolproof.
Afterthought: while Diana, herself, might resist BB's scream, in whatever manner, she could certainly be overcome/caught circumstantially via collateral effects: buildings/terrain around her collapsing on top of her; the ground beneath her vibrating/shifting violently (forcing her to fly, which is not necessarily a good thing); being unable to save/protect anyone else; etc. Those are valid tactical points, especially in a forum fight.
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Originally posted by chomperx9
I still dont see how she can block the scream 100%. lets say BBs scream is 25 FT width and heigth. WW has her arms crossed covering her head. yeah the scream isnt gonna effect her head but can still attack the lower part of her body. even if WW uses one arm to block the lower part and upper part of her body somewhere around around the middle she will get hit.and if her bracers protect her all around her body 100% without her having to block there then why does she have to move her bracers to that specific area when someone makes an attack there ?
The bracers provide Diana with 3 distinct types of protection.
1. Direct physical contact to the bracers themselves.
This is the usage that most people are familiar with. Diana uses her skill/reflexes to block incoming punches, projectiles, etc. In this mode the bracers will only protect her from the attacks that actually hit the bracers. Were she to be hit by a wide range energy type attack, only the portion of her arms covered by the bracers would be protected.
2. The Aegis effect
This is when she CROSSES the bracers. It creates a representation of Zeus' Aegis shield. This creates a shield around her or those she is shielding and provides complete protection from any wide area wave attacks. The area of effect on the shield is not limited to the area of her crossed hands, but the shield extends out to protect her and anyone she is shielding. This is why BB's scream would not be able to harm her. All she has to do is cross the bracers. This effect protects her from energy, sonic, magical type wave attacks. It does not protect her from any physical attacks. If Superman were to punch her in the stomach while the bracers were crossed, it would go right through.
3. Passive durability boost
This one is a bit less clear but there was an instance where Diana fell a distance and hit the ground rather hard. She claimed that the bracers absorbed the bulk of the impact. This implies that just dawning the bracers enhances her durability by a degree as they absorb a portion of direct damage to her body. As I said, this one is a bit iffier, so if anyone has more info to refute or back up the assertion, please share.
There was a much better write up on all of the bracers powers on the DC WW forum, but it is no longer there 🙁
So to answer the OP's question, yes WW's bracers would protect her from BB's scream. The bracers have handled a combied attack from ALL of the Olympian Gods (minus Ares). Part of what makes WW so dangerous is that her equipment is all forged from/by Gods. It will take someone on that level to overcome/destroy them. (Don't get me started on Trinity though 😛)
The part about her falling and the bracers absorbing the impact is an old misnomer from WW #17-19 (2nd Series), when she was flying and was struck by one of Circe's were-beasts, and hit the ground hard; she says to Vanessa that she (Diana) is okay -- the bracelets absorbed most of the impact. However (as was clarified a few issues later in a letter/question in "Postscripts to Paradise"😉 she was referring to how she blocked the claws of the beast with her bracers - not the impact of hitting the ground. Diana has always been resistant to blunt force attacks, and hitting the ground, even from an extreme height or with great force, isn't going to do much against her, at all.
(My memory got jogged while looking/remembering older issues... I remembered that clarification all those years ago, but just had it pop back up while searching for "bracer failures", so to speak...)