Originally posted by Zeuodin
Deflecting the power of the shattered God, who was more powerful than all the gods of all pantheons, deflecting the power of the entire Greek pantheon, and the Omegas are the best feats I can think of. They can block abstract level power.
Yeah, they blocked a few of Superman's blows.
Originally posted by Konton
fixed =]
Well, yes... that is true...
But as I originally said it was at "least" baseline... my statement was not "incorrect", merely respectful of other aspects of both DC and Marvel (i.e. I was being polite).
As old school Marvel scales are often utilized around here, then Adamantium/Promethium would be Cl1000, the Bracers Cl3000, and Captain America's Shield/Hestia's Lasso Cl5000.
How's that sound, Konton? Happy now? 😛
Originally posted by Konton
Why the lasso over the bracers?
The lasso has been broken, albeit under a plot device in which it represented the shattering of truth.I'd put the bracers and the lasso on even ground and the tiara slightly behind.
The lasso's very nature is one of subtle mutability - it is indestructable on a level beyond most people's meaning of the word, precisely because it isn't just a "magical rope", but the actual embodiment of truth incarnate. It can be changed/"broken", in the sense of being altered as fundamental truth itself is altered, but in essence still remains.
The Bracers are nigh indestructable, and more resistant, in essence, to being affected as such, but if ever violated (as has happened twice -- off panel/comic -- in their history) will not simply "reform" themselves. (That's why the Bracers are the way they are -- they are all that remains of the Aegis, itself, from long mythic ages past).
(And in the old DC reference scaling, the lasso was indicated as being more resistant to damage than the bracers. So I just transferred that into Marvel terminology for ease of comparison/explanation. As Cap's shield, if ever broken, wouldn't magically reform itself, I guess you could classify the lasso as a mythic CL10,000, if you wanted... but I don't think that's necessary... 😉 )
Originally posted by tideoftimeWasn't cap shield broken with pure force before? I don't see that ever happening to the lasso.
The lasso's very nature is one of subtle mutability - it is indestructable on a level beyond most people's meaning of the word, precisely because it isn't just a "magical rope", but the actual embodiment of truth incarnate. It can be changed/"broken", in the sense of being altered as fundamental truth itself is altered, but in essence still remains.The Bracers are nigh indestructable, and more resistant, in essence, to being affected as such, but if ever violated (as has happened twice -- off panel/comic -- in their history) will not simply "reform" themselves. (That's why the Bracers are the way they are -- they are all that remains of the Aegis, itself, from long mythic ages past).
(And in the old DC reference scaling, the lasso was indicated as being more resistant to damage than the bracers. So I just transferred that into Marvel terminology for ease of comparison/explanation. As Cap's shield, if ever broken, wouldn't magically reform itself, I guess you could classify the lasso as a mythic CL10,000, if you wanted... but I don't think that's necessary... 😉 )
Originally posted by Zeuodin
What the hell is going on with all these Wonder Woman fans?
I have shifted from being annoyed by all the topics/threads, to amused. I keep answering questions because a couple people have asked legitimate questions, without sarcasm/fanboi bias, and a few others have demonstrated a lack of character knowledge in their responses, but without a pre-existing bias, just a lack of knowledge.
Some topics/responders I am ignoring altogether, 'cus the responses are just too nuts to even respond to...
I personally have been digging for old Batman posts, to get a better idea of how many fans see him in his "renaissance" persona (the near peak of human potential/skill) and how many see him in a more "credible" identity (that is, still pretty awesome, but not quite what the hype says...) Don't have a bias either way, but curious about others' views...
Originally posted by tideoftimeI meant it in no disrespect but the board is decidedly pretty good about WW. But there are some very vocal posters who obviously cannot stand the character. They are usually either Very marvel focused fans, or very Superman esque slanted fans. My Take on Wonder Woman is she is the very Top of the Mid Herald Range or Bottom of the High herald range and that her magical weapons, amps, skill and prep give her the ability to take on skyfather's and some abstracts for a time.
I have shifted from being annoyed by all the topics/threads, to amused. I keep answering questions because a couple people have asked legitimate questions, without sarcasm/fanboi bias, and a few others have demonstrated a lack of character knowledge in their responses, but without a pre-existing bias, just a lack of knowledge.Some topics/responders I am ignoring altogether, 'cus the responses are just too nuts to even respond to...
I personally have been digging for old Batman posts, to get a better idea of how many fans see him in his "renaissance" persona (the near peak of human potential/skill) and how many see him in a more "credible" identity (that is, still pretty awesome, but not quite what the hype says...) Don't have a bias either way, but curious about others' views...
Originally posted by Zeuodin.
Wasn't cap shield broken with pure force before? I don't see that ever happening to the lasso.
I wasn't drawing a direct correlation, just a generalized comparison; the lasso was broken during the "Golden Perfect", due to "truth" itself being violated (by Diana -- an essential betrayal of self, in this context). I was just elaborating on comparitive points, for anyone reading who might not "get" what the bracers are like. Used adamantium, Cap's shield, and the lasso just as relative benchmarks.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
I meant it in no disrespect but the board is decidedly pretty good about WW. But there are some very vocal posters who obviously cannot stand the character. They are usually either Very marvel focused fans, or very Superman esque slanted fans. My Take on Wonder Woman is she is the very Top of the Mid Herald Range or Bottom of the High herald range and that her magical weapons, amps, skill and prep give her the ability to take on skyfather's and some abstracts for a time.
agree. she has a ton of tricks. almost like a female thor. tons of god level weapons, god level defense (aegis shield), god level attacks (god wave thingy). a little less in strength and durability, but makes up for it in speed.