W.W. Bracers vs. B.B. Scream

Originally posted by Sasaraixx

3. Passive durability boost
This one is a bit less clear but there was an instance where Diana fell a distance and hit the ground rather hard. She claimed that the bracers absorbed the bulk of the impact. This implies that just dawning the bracers enhances her durability by a degree as they absorb a portion of direct damage to her body. As I said, this one is a bit iffier, so if anyone has more info to refute or back up the assertion, please share.

Really... I knew the bracers were significant part of her but didn't think it added that much to her... interesting.

So without the bracers on how durable is she?

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Really... I knew the bracers were significant part of her but didn't think it added that much to her... interesting.

So without the bracers on how durable is she?

Most people who haven't been keeping real tabs on her over the past 10-15 years are usually shocked by the answer: against blunt force/punches, she's right up there with Superman, Captain Marvel, and similar. Against *superior* material (or magical) edged/piercing weopons (from her own magical swords to Wolverine's/The Cheetah's claws), she is at her most relatively vulnerable (though she can still endure quite a lot). Against most terrestrial heat/cold (from sub-zero artic to molten lava/iron -- which she has been dumped in and came out as if from a hot-tub) she is almost as resistant as Supes, and has great resistance to disease and radiation. Poisons can affect her, but even cyanide only slows her down, and she recovers quickly. Electricity is a "weak" point, in that her inherent resistance is no greater than a "typical" enhanced metahuman (say, Spiderman, or a little better), though her ability to survive/endure it is much greater (she has way more "hit points", so to speak). The truly biggest shock to most people is that she really isn't harmed by ordinary (but not magical) bullets or arrows anymore (implied before Infinite Crisis -- more directly alluded to since her series reboot 3 years ago); she deflects "ordinary" gunfire and such now more to keep in practice for when more powerful attacks come.

As the one issue of JL displayed between her and Superman:
Superman: Strength:A-1, Speed: A-2, Invulnerability: A-1, Flight: A-1
Wonder Woman: Strength: A-1, Speed: A-2, Invulnerability: A-1, Flight: A-2

(He edges in strength, and has a wider range of "invulnerabilities", while she edges him in speed/combat reflexes, and has magical weopons; his superior flight only comes into play in space -- in any appreciable atmosphere, they are equal.)

EDIT: But she still needs to breath (though she can hold her breath for 15-20 minutes with no problem, and longer if she must), and can't resist certain energy attacks as well as Supes, CM, MM, and others. That's why the gods armed her with the bracers/Aegis, to compensate for that, to a degree. And although highly resistant to heat/radiation, she could never go into the sun the way Supes can, as she doesn't have his energy absorption powers.

Originally posted by tideoftime
The part about her falling and the bracers absorbing the impact is an old misnomer from WW #17-19 (2nd Series), when she was flying and was struck by one of Circe's were-beasts, and hit the ground hard; she says to Vanessa that she (Diana) is okay -- the bracelets absorbed most of the impact. However (as was clarified a few issues later in a letter/question in "Postscripts to Paradise"😉 she was referring to how she blocked the claws of the beast with her bracers - not the impact of hitting the ground. Diana has always been resistant to blunt force attacks, and hitting the ground, even from an extreme height or with great force, isn't going to do much against her, at all.

(My memory got jogged while looking/remembering older issues... I remembered that clarification all those years ago, but just had it pop back up while searching for "bracer failures", so to speak...)

Thank you. If that is the explanation given, then that was an extremely poorly worded passage. There was one other example someone gave in the threat I mentioned above, but I can't remember it for the life of me.

3. Passive durability boost
This one is a bit less clear but there was an instance where Diana fell a distance and hit the ground rather hard. She claimed that the bracers absorbed the bulk of the impact. This implies that just dawning the bracers enhances her durability by a degree as they absorb a portion of direct damage to her body. As I said, this one is a bit iffier, so if anyone has more info to refute or back up the assertion, please share.

See this nothing more than PIS B.S. ! Because she can FLY.

Originally posted by BattleMage
3. Passive durability boost
This one is a bit less clear but there was an instance where Diana fell a distance and hit the ground rather hard. She claimed that the bracers absorbed the bulk of the impact. This implies that just dawning the bracers enhances her durability by a degree as they absorb a portion of direct damage to her body. As I said, this one is a bit iffier, so if anyone has more info to refute or back up the assertion, please share.

See this nothing more than PIS B.S. ! Because she can FLY.

And you've never seen a character who can fly hit the ground? Context is your friend.

Until we get to see some better feats from Black Bolt's scream, WW survives.

So does WW have innate durability on par with people like Cap Marvel, and Supes without the bracers?

Originally posted by Lord Feron
So does WW have innate durability on par with people like Cap Marvel, and Supes without the bracers?

She's like a very feminine sandbag.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
She's like a very feminine sandbag.

😕 hmm idk if i like that analogy..... more like punching bag!! oh snap!

Pretty informative debate actually for those of us who havent followed WW in a while. So its likely that her bracers will in fact protect her entire body from the electron shattering effects of BB's scream. It still seems debatable as to whether it'd knock her over then decimate her while shes airborn, but thats more a sign of Diana failing rather than her bracers. Also Im not so arrogant as to claim I know enough about who she has fought to say shes never had to face the kind of energy output BB can dish out, but I will repeat he should have like one of the best offensive weapons in marvel, and as was seen in Illuminati, is capable of tearing reality.

Originally posted by redhotrash
Pretty informative debate actually for those of us who havent followed WW in a while. So its likely that her bracers will in fact protect her entire body from the electron shattering effects of BB's scream. It still seems debatable as to whether it'd knock her over then decimate her while shes airborn, but thats more a sign of Diana failing rather than her bracers. Also Im not so arrogant as to claim I know enough about who she has fought to say shes never had to face the kind of energy output BB can dish out, but I will repeat he should have like one of the best offensive weapons in marvel, and as was seen in Illuminati, is capable of tearing reality.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
To blunt force trauma and energy trauma yes. To piercing and slicing, not so much.

She's not weak to piercing or slicing. She has a mystical weakness to bullets and they cause her pain. She was shocked the last time she was impaled by an arrow and it was infused with magic. I can't recall the last time she was sliced by anything less than enchanted claws.

I specifically recall seeing her grab a spear by the blade not too long ago.

Originally posted by Konton
She's not weak to piercing or slicing. She has a mystical weakness to bullets and they cause her pain. She was shocked the last time she was impaled by an arrow and it was infused with magic. I can't recall the last time she was sliced by anything less than enchanted claws.

I specifically recall seeing her grab a spear by the blade not too long ago.

Mhm. Enchanted claws.

I think she survives.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
It's in the respect thread. Same place I been looking. Cheetah's claws aren't enchanted are they? I thought it was due to her ridiculously high speeds that made her claws cut so deeply.

Oh, Cheetah's claws are most *definitely* magical -- that's been since the Post-Crisis reboot. She is, like Diana, Billy, and others, effectively an avatar of her "god", but nowhere near the broad potential that Diana, et al, have. But in her major specialty (speed attack), she is virtually unmatched, and has at least a supportive set of secondary abilities: magical claws, superhuman endurance/strength, supernatural stealth (which has proven effective against Superman and Supergirl) and modest healing/regenerative abilities (she's regrown that tail a few times now, with Diana having cut it off - again - just a few issues ago). She also has middle-level occult knowledge/skills, and has performed magical rituals (though only "modest" ones, by *true* mystics' standards).

Originally posted by Konton
She's not weak to piercing or slicing. She has a mystical weakness to bullets and they cause her pain. She was shocked the last time she was impaled by an arrow and it was infused with magic. I can't recall the last time she was sliced by anything less than enchanted claws.

I specifically recall seeing her grab a spear by the blade not too long ago.

Well, she has a weakness to piercing/slashing attacks in that she has a lower resistance to them than what would be expected when compared with her ability to resist blunt force trauma and moderate to high level energy attacks (depending on the nature of the energy in question). Normal/unaugmented arrows, standard bullets, and non-special swords/knives cannot harm her, per se, but can hurt in the sense of pain.

(Trust me -- she's one of several characters I have followed closely for 30 years, through thick and thin, and this is definitely the most durable/resistant she has ever been -- but she still has "weaknesses" in the sense of not being *quite* as invulnerable as Superman/Captain Marvel, and a few others... though some other people still fail to understand just how resistant/enduring she has become -- quan being one of them...)

Originally posted by tideoftime
Well, she has a weakness to piercing/slashing attacks in that she has a lower resistance to them than what would be expected when compared with her ability to resist blunt force trauma and moderate to high level energy attacks (depending on the nature of the energy in question). Normal/unaugmented arrows, standard bullets, and non-special swords/knives cannot harm her, per se, but can hurt in the sense of pain.

(Trust me -- she's one of several characters I have followed closely for 30 years, through thick and thin, and this is definitely the most durable/resistant she has ever been -- but she still has "weaknesses" in the sense of not being *quite* as invulnerable as Superman/Captain Marvel, and a few others... though some other people still fail to understand just how resistant/enduring she has become -- quan being one of them...)

Originally posted by quanchi112
I failed to understand nothing. You even agreed with me that her strength isn't up to par with theirs. Just let it go ya silly WW fan.