Nah, he'd absorb it. Galactus was insulted by Ultron once, Ultron began his assault, and shot an atomic blast at big G. Galactus then proceeded to drain Ultron. This all happened in the Secret Wars.
Tyrant as I stated was created in Galactus' image, so yea he'd absorb it and become more powerful.
Like I said Monarch would die, or have to flee.
Originally posted by Stoic
Wait a sec, are you comparing Rulk to Tyrant? He beat Thor. That's as far as it goes with Rulk in my opinion. You could send either or both Rulk and Thor, and Tyrant would beat them.Since I don't know why you brought Rulk into this I'll leave it at that.
This thing about Monarch manipulating Tyrant's energy is uncertain at best, but what is certain is that Tyrant would have the advantage of consuming Monarch's, allowing him to become even more powerful.
When Galactus made Tyrant he made a near equal to himself in terms of power, which was also stated on panel.
No, the reason I brought Rulk into this is to show you why powerscaling jobber aura characters doesn't work. Rulk beat Thor, but A-Bomb held his own. Does this mean A-Bomb > Thor? Since you were so intent on using Prime losing to two Supermen to downplay Monarch, when Prime also has feats like owning Mxy.
Scaling from him DOES NOT WORK.
Now, Monarch's blasts MIGHT power him, until he learns what's happening. After that, he uses his energy manipulation. Did you forget Monarch can absorb as well?
Quit wanking him.
Originally posted by Cubey
No, the reason I brought Rulk into this is to show you why powerscaling jobber aura characters doesn't work. Rulk beat Thor, but A-Bomb held his own. Does this mean A-Bomb > Thor? Since you were so intent on using Prime losing to two Supermen to downplay Monarch, when Prime also has feats like owning Mxy.Scaling from him DOES NOT WORK.
Now, Monarch's blasts MIGHT power him, until he learns what's happening. After that, he uses his energy manipulation. Did you forget Monarch can absorb as well?
Quit wanking him.
If I am wanking Tyrant, would that mean that you're wanking Monarch? This is a good question that you should think about. In fact I'm not wanking Tyrant in the least, what I am doing is debating Tyrant from the writers perspective.
Never once did I add to Tyrant, powers that he does not possess. The fact of the matter is that Tyrant was stopped by the Ultimate Nullifier, and not Galactus, in fact Tyrant was able to cause Galactus pain, he was actually doing better in his battle with Galactus than the Inbetweener did against Galactus. That is until he was Nullified.
Originally posted by carver9
Both are sub skyfather at best but again, some people look at versatility when ranking characters and Monarch did nothing versatile wise except shoot powerful blast and physically destroy people with his fist. With that said, if we are using Illa tier placement, he would be Elite Herald (versatility) but in my eyes he is a skyfather.
Can a Skyfather or sub Skyfather take on Galactus, if he was serious? Would a Skyfather vs Galactus leave the Universe in tatters? Or would Galactus put the Skyfather down long before it ever got to that point?
I'm just going by what was written, but by all means if there are people out there that would like to make up their minds based on how they feel about a certain character go for it.
Originally posted by Stoic
If I am wanking Tyrant, would that mean that you're wanking Monarch? This is a good question that you should think about. In fact I'm not wanking Tyrant in the least, what I am doing is debating Tyrant from the writers perspective.Never once did I add to Tyrant, powers that he does not possess. The fact of the matter is that Tyrant was stopped by the Ultimate Nullifier, and not Galactus, in fact Tyrant was able to cause Galactus pain, he was actually doing better in his battle with Galactus than the Inbetweener did against Galactus. That is until he was Nullified.
You're wanking him by giving him things he was never said to have. You can do this to pretty much every character through equivocation. For example, you're applying mental resistance/offense to him just because he was able to go toe-to-toe with Galactus.
You also have no way to be objective about the *author's* intentions.
I might be wanking Monarch, entirely possible. But I already know he'd lose to FP Tyrant for sure. I just think it's a bit fanboyish to say the same for DP Tyrant is all 😊
Tyrant was nullified, yeah. But he was also beat by Galactus, so we know he doesn't HAVE to be nullified to be beaten.
Originally posted by Cubeyi believe it was stated that tyrant grows weaker when being in close proximity to galactus so it's no wonder galactus can beat him if he is steadily growing weaker during the fight.
You're wanking him by giving him things he was never said to have. You can do this to pretty much every character through equivocation. For example, you're applying mental resistance/offense to him just because he was able to go toe-to-toe with Galactus.You also have no way to be objective about the *author's* intentions.
I might be wanking Monarch, entirely possible. But I already know he'd lose to FP Tyrant for sure. I just think it's a bit fanboyish to say the same for DP Tyrant is all 😊
Tyrant was nullified, yeah. But he was also beat by Galactus, so we know he doesn't HAVE to be nullified to be beaten.
Originally posted by Cubey
Name-calling? Why so sensitive?Anyways, Monarch is a far-cry from Galactus, but Galactus was fighting FP Tyrant. With DP Tyrant, it'd take a lot less.
First of all DP Tyrant wasn't powering up to defeat Galactus, his goal was to dominate the Universe, hence the name Tyrant. Second of all while Tyrant was in what many have grown accustomed to calling a depowered state, he went up (pay attention) to Galactus' very face, and challenged him for ownership of Morg.
Words were exchanged between the two, which boiled down to them agreeing that a battle between the two would result in universal destruction (writers perspective not mine). What does this tell you about how powerful Tyrant was in this so called depowered state? I know what it tells me.
Galactus had a similar run in with a guy threatening another of his Herald's, his name was Koon if I'm not mistaken. Well do you know what Galactus did to Koon? He dismissed his power and used him to improve his ships on board computer by physically hooking him up to it. Why? because Koon like many other characters in the Marvel U are beneath him, Tyrant however proved that he was not, because if he were, Galactus would have trashed him on the spot, as he did previously to Koon.
In a forum battle both combatants fight at the best of their abilities, so if a Tyrant vs Galactus thread were to appear, many would use Galactus' ability to use massive TP attacks, mixed with hand to hand tactics, and energetic assaults, in an attempt to show who outweighs whom.
We never saw it on panel, but if these two were waging a war that decimated a universe I'd put my money on Galactus not pulling any punches (does this make sense)?
Why would it be so hard for you to accept that Galactus used this type of attack in concert with his other abilities? It is well within his power to do so isn't it? Tyrant a Skyfather? No no no no no!!! What Skyfather would be able to take on Galactus, and destroy a universe doing so?
In a forum battle if I started a thread called Aquaman vs Luke Cage, everyone and their grand mom would scream MIND RAPE FTW!!!! Even though Aquaman could hold his own against Cage. Why? Because it's part of his power set.
The assumption here is that if Galactus fought Tyrant to the ends of this decimated Universe and back again, he would have pulled out all of his weapons to put this guy down, and not hand him a bouquet of flowers with a smile.
Galactus did not beat Tyrant on panel, Tyrant was nullified, he would have won, but this would have taken a lengthy amount of time. Yes he was powered up and ready to take on Galactus in this fight, but it still doesn't dismiss the fact that when Tyrant was "depowered" that he made Galactus bow out.
I'm not sensitve to the least, I'm just saying that this is a discussion, and using name calling to get your point across seems a little childish.
Originally posted by Stoic
First of all DP Tyrant wasn't powering up to defeat Galactus, his goal was to dominate the Universe, hence the name Tyrant. Second of all while Tyrant was in what many have grown accustomed to calling a depowered state, he went up (pay attention) to Galactus' very face, and challenged him for ownership of Morg.
He was absorbing power from biospheres of planets, was he not? So he wouldn't still be in his de-powered state. Obviously, that's why he was able to challenge Galactus after all that time of regaining power.
Words were exchanged between the two, which boiled down to them agreeing that a battle between the two would result in universal destruction (writers perspective not mine). What does this tell you about how powerful Tyrant was in this so called depowered state? I know what it tells me.
It tells me that someone who has been shown more than a few times to be a universal threat (Galactus) would be fighting with someone who could at least survive the assault. Doesn't mean Tyrant would even have a hand in it.
Though that's probably a very extreme way of putting it, it could also mean that "universal" destruction would be caused by wiping out tons of galaxies and lives. Doesn't Tyrant can unleash a universal wave like Monarch or Galactus.
Galactus had a similar run in with a guy threatening another of his Herald's, his name was Koon if I'm not mistaken. Well do you know what Galactus did to Koon? He dismissed his power and used him to improve his ships on board computer by physically hooking him up to it. Why? because Koon like many other characters in the Marvel U are beneath him, Tyrant however proved that he was not, because if he were, Galactus would have trashed him on the spot, as he did previously to Koon.
Ok... So Tyrant could at the least hang with Galactus when he was at FP, or absorbing power from planets.
What about DP?
In a forum battle both combatants fight at the best of their abilities, so if a Tyrant vs Galactus thread were to appear, many would use Galactus' ability to use massive TP attacks, mixed with hand to hand tactics, and energetic assaults, in an attempt to show who outweighs whom.
Yes, that's right. And they would be right because we have no inclination of Tyrant's mental prowess.
We never saw it on panel, but if these two were waging a war that decimated a universe I'd put my money on Galactus not pulling any punches (does this make sense)?Why would it be so hard for you to accept that Galactus used this type of attack in concert with his other abilities? It is well within his power to do so isn't it? Tyrant a Skyfather? No no no no no!!! What Skyfather would be able to take on Galactus, and destroy a universe doing so?
Because "destroying the universe" does not denote any type of mental assault. The image I get is Galactus and Tyrant simply clashing at each other and releasing large amounts of energy.
I have a hard time of it because there's a lack of on-panel proof of it.
In a forum battle if I started a thread called Aquaman vs Luke Cage, everyone and their grand mom would scream MIND RAPE FTW!!!! Even though Aquaman could hold his own against Cage. Why? Because it's part of his power set.The assumption here is that if Galactus fought Tyrant to the ends of this decimated Universe and back again, he would have pulled out all of his weapons to put this guy down, and not hand him a bouquet of flowers with a smile.
You would think that, but considering Galactus WAS pulling punches in the fight, there's reasonable doubt.
I say he was pulling punches because he was obviously able to depower him, but didn't do so till after a titanic clash, which tells me he still had tricks he kept to himself.
Galactus did not beat Tyrant on panel, Tyrant was nullified, he would have won, but this would have taken a lengthy amount of time. Yes he was powered up and ready to take on Galactus in this fight, but it still doesn't dismiss the fact that when Tyrant was "depowered" that he made Galactus bow out.
Tyrant was nullified, but we already know Galactus was able to do it before. You still have no base to claim Tyrant would win again Galactus this time around.
I'm not sensitve to the least, I'm just saying that this is a discussion, and using name calling to get your point across seems a little childish.
What, saying it's fanboyish to think a non-amped Tyrant could beat a universe buster? 😆
Did you read anything that I said? Tyrant in his first appearance captured Morg, Tyrant was not powered up yet, and he still went up to Galactus' very face, and challenged him for ownership of Morg, Galactus at that very moment said that a confrontation between the two of them would have caused universal destruction. Galactus then bowed out and Tyrant claimed proprietorship of Morg. Tyrant at that time was not powered up in the least.
Here's another example of Tyrant's energy absorption capabilities; Galactus blasted him, and he began draining the energy coming from Galactus, what about Tyrants other ability? He showed technopathic abilities as well. If Galactus made Tyrant in his image and Galactus used Hyperstorm like you and I would use a slurpie, this would be indicative of his ability to do the same to Monarch... and Monarch loves to blast the crap of of guys.
Let's see who would I place my bet on? An ancient super powered cosmic vampire, with the ability to challenge an Abstract being, and destroy a universe in the process, or some guy with super strength, atomic blasts, and a tin can for armor? I really think that this fight would resemble the one in Annihilation, you remember the one where Quasar fought Annihilus?
Originally posted by Cubey
What, saying it's fanboyish to think a non-amped Tyrant could beat a universe buster? 😆
It's not really fanboyism to think that. Even though Monarch has a higher power output than DP Tyrant, DP Tyrant can just physically pierce Monarch's shell and absorb the explosion.
And yes, it's not out of the question for Tyrant tho absorb atomic energy. The sun is mostly a large nuclear reactor, and Surfer's been able to absorb energy there.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
It's not really fanboyism to think that. Even though Monarch has a higher power output than DP Tyrant, DP Tyrant can just physically pierce Monarch's shell and absorb the explosion.And yes, it's not out of the question for Tyrant tho absorb atomic energy. The sun is mostly a large nuclear reactor, and Surfer's been able to absorb energy there.
That's exactly what I was trying to say Dude.
Originally posted by iceman24567
LOL at people still using DP Tyrants fight vs Galactus to prove he beats high end skyfathers Monarch easily
Doesn't answer the fact that the tactic might just work. It's been proven that the suit can be breached by a lot less than skyfathers after all. :-/
And what feats place Monarch at Odin-level?
Guardian amped Prime is the only person to breach it and he's a skyfather 😐. Tanking shots from high herald characters without flinching then one shotting them casually. One shotting planets basically with a wave of his hand. Fighting a amped Prime physically the guy is a high end skyfather Odin level. Plus if Tyrant opens his shell he dies too but he won't reform later like Monarch
GA Prime might be more powerful than his already trans-tier regular self but he's no skyfather, kinda like Hulk at low herald doesn't make WWH mid-herald and WBH high herald. Tier increases should be much more than just power amps. Besides, DP Tyrant should be low skfather or top-tier trans to say the least.
Ppl aren't saying that DP Tyrant beats skyfathers. Ppl are saying that he can beat THIS particular skyfather (and I see Monarch as mid skyfather at best) due to powersets. No one disputes that Monarch has a much higher power output.
But breach suit + feed on energy might just work here. Not even saying it works every time but it CAN work. And surviving an explosion from the breached suit is actually pretty doable for ppl at this level, especially if he FEEDS on the energy as it comes out.
This is all IMHO, however, as characters with power levels of this level have always been hard to categorize and quantify properly.