Originally posted by D_Dude1210Most people agree Guardian amped Prime is Skyfather level. He's not going to have time to feed on the energy it's pretty much instant and what feats does Tyrant have to say he could feed on the energy Monarch releases? None. I disagree Monarch is easily a high end skyfather.
GA Prime might be more powerful than his already trans-tier regular self but he's no skyfather, kinda like Hulk at low herald doesn't make WWH mid-herald and WBH high herald. Tier increases should be much more than just power amps. Besides, DP Tyrant should be low skfather or top-tier trans to say the least.Ppl aren't saying that DP Tyrant beats skyfathers. Ppl are saying that he can beat THIS particular skyfather (and I see Monarch as mid skyfather at best) due to powersets. No one disputes that Monarch has a much higher power output.
But breach suit + feed on energy might just work here. Not even saying it works every time but it CAN work. And surviving an explosion from the breached suit is actually pretty doable for ppl at this level, especially if he FEEDS on the energy as it comes out.
This is all IMHO, however, as characters with power levels of this level have always been hard to categorize and quantify properly.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Most people agree Guardian amped Prime is Skyfather level. He's not going to have time to feed on the energy it's pretty much instant and what feats does Tyrant have to say he could feed on the energy Monarch releases? None. I disagree Monarch is easily a high end skyfather.
Power Cosmic users like the Surfer have been able to pull off some pretty amazing energy absorption/manipulation feats. DP Tyrant is a more powerful and much older user of the PC. DP Tyrant's also been able to drain Galactus as well as absorb his eye beams in their fight (even tho, I'll have to agree that there is SOME context to that).
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Heh. Guess I'll have to simply respect, yet disagree, with your opinion here. Don't really feel like arguing the issue too much. Been a tiring week.
Originally posted by "Id"
As a pumped up version of Captain Atom, Monarchs ability to manipulate energy carries over as well. Both are relatively in the same class, energy drain will not be as easily exploitable as some make it out be.
Besides blasting and punching, what did Monarch do versatility wise to make you think he is a skyfather? Hell... the universal destroying blast really wasnt under his own power, he had to get destroyed to accomplish that feat so again, power wise, versatility wise, what has he done that makes you think he is skyfather material. Taking on Elite fighters? Despero along with NUMEROUS of other people have done this. Shoot a Nuke out of his hands, 😕 .
Am I missing something to even make me believe that Odin wouldnt CRUSH him?
Originally posted by Stoic
Did you read anything that I said? Tyrant in his first appearance captured Morg, Tyrant was not powered up yet, and he still went up to Galactus' very face, and challenged him for ownership of Morg, Galactus at that very moment said that a confrontation between the two of them would have caused universal destruction. Galactus then bowed out and Tyrant claimed proprietorship of Morg. Tyrant at that time was not powered up in the least.Here's another example of Tyrant's energy absorption capabilities; Galactus blasted him, and he began draining the energy coming from Galactus, what about Tyrants other ability? He showed technopathic abilities as well. If Galactus made Tyrant in his image and Galactus used Hyperstorm like you and I would use a slurpie, this would be indicative of his ability to do the same to Monarch... and Monarch loves to blast the crap of of guys.
Let's see who would I place my bet on? An ancient super powered cosmic vampire, with the ability to challenge an Abstract being, and destroy a universe in the process, or some guy with super strength, atomic blasts, and a tin can for armor? I really think that this fight would resemble the one in Annihilation, you remember the one where Quasar fought Annihilus?
I read everything you wrote. Galactus gave him Morg for the other captured beings.
Also, yes even if Tyrant was an energy absorber, so is Monarch. Besides, he can always draw more power from the QF, and I have a really hard time believing he could do to Monarch what Galactus did to Hyperstorm. But like I said even if he could, Monarch has his own absorption to rely on.
And you keep on applying the "universe destroying" thing to Tyrant solely. Did you ever consider that what Galactus meant was that their energy would destroy galaxy after galaxy till nothing was left? Isn't that what Thanos said happened?
So you're wrongly calling DP Tyrant a universe buster because there can be different interpretation of the statements.
And rofl at trying to downplay Monarch. I can say that Monarch was able to challenge abstract beings and destroy the universe in the process, and have the actual feats to back it up. You on the other hand do not have a scan of Tyrant destroying the universe, only statements which can be interpreted in different ways (like the one above).
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
It's not really fanboyism to think that. Even though Monarch has a higher power output than DP Tyrant, DP Tyrant can just physically pierce Monarch's shell and absorb the explosion.And yes, it's not out of the question for Tyrant tho absorb atomic energy. The sun is mostly a large nuclear reactor, and Surfer's been able to absorb energy there.
A universe's worth of energy? 😬
Besides, didn't Monarch survive that later, and easily nuke a city upon awakening?
Originally posted by Cubey
A universe's worth of energy? 😬Besides, didn't Monarch survive that later, and easily nuke a city upon awakening?
Galactus and Tyrant were made to be equals. Even at Tyrant's depowered state, they have similar powersets. They feed on energy and both doesn't seem to have any limits to how much they can absorb (as to when Galactus blasted him and he just absorbed the energy or when he used Galactus' tech to drain Galactus himself).
Besides, Tyrant doesn't need to absorb the whole explosion, just enough of it to do no damage to him. The same way that Nova didn't need to tank Galactus' entire "herald my rage" blast, just enough of it.
Originally posted by "Id"
As a pumped up version of Captain Atom, Monarchs ability to manipulate energy carries over as well. Both are relatively in the same class, energy drain will not be as easily exploitable as some make it out be.
I'll have to disagree. In fact, Monarch seems to be unable to fully control his OWN powers. That is why he needs his suit to keep himself from blowing up. Tyrant, on the other hand, has been shown to be able to match Galactus at manipulating energies. Going so far as absorbing Galactus' attacks and taking over Galactus' ship in order to drain Galactus himself.
Originally posted by Stoic
He wiped out an entire country?
On several occasions. Here's the most important stuff:
Kills/absorbs 51 Captain Atoms
Blows up a country
Sets off a nuke
Levels the universe
Nukes another city/country afterwards
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Galactus and Tyrant were made to be equals. Even at Tyrant's depowered state, they have similar powersets. They feed on energy and both doesn't seem to have any limits to how much they can absorb (as to when Galactus blasted him and he just absorbed the energy or when he used Galactus' tech to drain Galactus himself).Besides, Tyrant doesn't need to absorb the whole explosion, just enough of it to do no damage to him. The same way that Nova didn't need to tank Galactus' entire "herald my rage" blast, just enough of it.
And Monarch would be absorbing Tyrant's energies as well.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I'll have to disagree. In fact, Monarch seems to be unable to fully control his OWN powers. That is why he needs his suit to keep himself from blowing up. Tyrant, on the other hand, has been shown to be able to match Galactus at manipulating energies. Going so far as absorbing Galactus' attacks and taking over Galactus' ship in order to drain Galactus himself.
No -_-
The suit was simply keeping his energy in check from blowing everything up. He was able to do energy manipulation just fine. Where did you get this?
Funny how awesomely powerful a fully energized Guardian-amped Superman Prime is to have defeated all those alternate Earth heroes.
Which makes Monarch awesomely powerful to have matched him in a fight.
But let's not forget that Monarch's so awesomely powerful that he can level a universe.
Which makes his armor even more awesomely powerful to contain that sort of energy.
Which makes a depleted Guardian-amped Superman Prime that much more awesome for ripping it apart.
Which makes a depleted Guardian-amped Superman Prime > a fully energized Guardian-amped Superman Prime...
... wait, what?
Originally posted by carver9
Besides blasting and punching, what did Monarch do versatility wise to make you think he is a skyfather? Hell... the universal destroying blast really wasnt under his own power, he had to get destroyed to accomplish that feat so again, power wise, versatility wise, what has he done that makes you think he is skyfather material. Taking on Elite fighters? Despero along with NUMEROUS of other people have done this. Shoot a Nuke out of his hands, 😕 .Am I missing something to even make me believe that Odin wouldnt CRUSH him?
Skyfather? both Monarch, and Tyrant are listed under Sub Skyfather. Which is just about right.
Originally posted by Cubey
And Monarch would be absorbing Tyrant's energies as well.
Monarch's best absorption feat (as you have shown above) is taking the energies of several low-mid herald levelers w/c were already down/dead.
Tyrant's best feat is absorbing a direct attack from Galactus as it struck him (gaining strength from it).
Yeahhhh, I'll go with Tyrant on this one...
Originally posted by Cubey
No -_-The suit was simply keeping his energy in check from blowing everything up. He was able to do energy manipulation just fine. Where did you get this?
The fact that he wears the damned suit in the first place? :-/
Not saying he can't manipulate energy. Just saying that he's not at the level of Tyrant here.
