Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Monarch's best absorption feat (as you have shown above) is taking the energies of several low-mid herald levelers w/c were already down/dead.Tyrant's best feat is absorbing a direct attack from Galactus as it struck him (gaining strength from it).
Yeahhhh, I'll go with Tyrant on this one...
Its due to Galacuts nature of synthesizing bio energy. Otherwise he would need equipment to drain his enemies like he did with Surfer, Gladiator, Bill etc..
Originally posted by "Id"
Its due to Galacuts nature of synthesizing bio energy. Otherwise he would need equipment to drain his enemies like he did with Surfer, Gladiator, Bill etc..
"Synthesized Bio-energy" seems to be an ambiguous description of what the energy was composed of. Galactus is the source of the Power Cosmic, wouldn't the PC be categorized as SBE in the first place?
Edit. Not really the source, more like the Abstract entity that is the physical manifestation of it or somesuch.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Monarch's best absorption feat (as you have shown above) is taking the energies of several low-mid herald levelers w/c were already down/dead.Tyrant's best feat is absorbing a direct attack from Galactus as it struck him (gaining strength from it).
These "several low-mid herald levelers w/c were already down/dead" Gave him enough energy to **** up the universe. So it's obviously at least Tyrant level if not higher.
Yeahhhh, I'll go with Tyrant on this one...
If it's DP Tyrant, you'd be wrong.
The fact that he wears the damned suit in the first place? :-/
Yeah what about it? He was wearing the suit since the 90's, but was still doing perfect energy manipulation. The suit is not there to account for sucking at energy manipulation, it's there to conceal his identity.
Not saying he can't manipulate energy. Just saying that he's not at the level of Tyrant here.
Monarch/CA has done more than Tyrant.
Originally posted by Cubey
These "several low-mid herald levelers w/c were already down/dead" Gave him enough energy to **** up the universe. So it's obviously at least Tyrant level if not higher.
You seem to have a different opinion of what constitutes a high-level energy absorption feat here. Quasar, given time and non-resisting opponents could have done the same.
Originally posted by Cubey
If it's DP Tyrant, you'd be wrong.
I disagree.
Originally posted by Cubey
Yeah what about it? He was wearing the suit since the 90's, but was still doing perfect energy manipulation. The suit is not there to account for sucking at energy manipulation, it's there to conceal his identity.
MONARCH wears the suit to hide his identity? Really? I guess it doesn't have anything to do with him blowing up if it gets torn open, right? Amirite?
Originally posted by Cubey
Monarch/CA has done more than Tyrant.
Such as?
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
"Synthesized Bio-energy" seems to be an ambiguous description of what the energy was composed of. Galactus is the source of the Power Cosmic, wouldn't the PC be categorized as SBE in the first place?Edit. Not really the source, more like the Abstract entity that is the physical manifestation of it or somesuch.
Regardless that is exactly why Tyrant was able to absorb Galactus blast. Otherwise, he wouldn't need equipment to drain Bill, Glads, Surfer etc..
Originally posted by "Id"
Regardless that is exactly why Tyrant was able to absorb Galactus blast. Otherwise, he wouldn't need equipment to drain Bill, Glads, Surfer etc..
I think he needs equipment to FORCIBLY drain it from resisting opponents. Kind of like he needed to use Galactus' ship to drain the energy from Galactus.
Originally posted by "Id"
Even if you want to play at that way, who said anything about Tryant bringing his ship or equipment into battle?
W/c is exactly my point. For Monarch, it's a unique case, as he will explode as soon as his suit is breached. Making it possible for Tyrant to drink the energy as it spills out w/o the need for his ship/equipment.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
W/c is exactly my point. For Monarch, it's a unique case, as he will explode as soon as his suit is breached. Making it possible for Tyrant to drink the energy as it spills out w/o the need for his ship/equipment.
Its not bio energy, so he doesn't drink the energy as you make claim. Nor does he have equipment to aid him. That is my point.
Originally posted by "Id"
Its not bio energy, so he doesn't drink the energy as you make claim.
My point is that the description of "synthesized bio-energy" is quite vague. Galactus is the abstract physical manifestation of the Power Cosmic. And Power Cosmic users have been able to draw and absorb energies from ALL sources in the universe. One such similar example is the Surfer drawing energy from the sun (w/c is a large nuclear reactor unto itself).
I really think Tyrant can drink of Monarch's energy that spills out in case of a suit breach.
Originally posted by "Id"
Nor does he have equipment to aid him. That is my point.
Tyrant didn't need any equipment to absorb a direct attack from Galactus. He needed it to draw the energy OUT of him.
Once the suit is breached, he won't need any equipment, the energy will just spill from out of Monarch.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
You seem to have a different opinion of what constitutes a high-level energy absorption feat here. Quasar, given time and non-resisting opponents could have done the same.
Really? And what's Tyrant done that's of a higher level?
Oh and the key words in that post were "given enough time". Meaning it would take a lot for Quasar to do it. Monarch did it nonchalantly.
I disagree.
Then we must agree to disagree.
MONARCH wears the suit to hide his identity? Really? I guess it doesn't have anything to do with him blowing up if it gets torn open, right? Amirite?
That too, but it doesn't augment his energy manipulation in any ways other than keeping the bulk of his power in check.
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Creating city wide gravity wells, beating down Firestorm etc. And inn the Quantum Field, his powers truly have no limit like when he created and destroyed a universe.
But even aside from that he has a lot of energy manipulation feats.
IMO DP Tyrant and even Monarch are clearly AT LEAST skyfathers. IMO and others Thanos is a low to mid skyfather... Tyrant made Thanos run away and admit if he stayed he would've died. Thanos NEVER does this... even when faced with PEAK skyfather in Odin... did he ever back down or fear being killed? Nope. Against Tyrant he knew he didn't have a chance once they started fighting and left.
DP Tyrant beating a PREPPED and WELL-FED Galactus, Thanos, Morg. SS, Terrax, JOH, Gayn, BRB etc etc poops all over anything Monarch did. Dp Tyrant first made Galactus leave with his herald when Tyrant challenged him to a fight. What does that tell us... Galactus respected Tyrant's power and didn't want to fight him them. This gives us an idea of how strong he was. He then goes on to get the better of a well fed prepped galactus... That is clearly better than anything Monarch did or beat.
Both Tyrant win this thread. It's pretty clear to me.