Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yeah! What problems could arise from pissing off Muslims?
Why should we worry about that? They are trying to kill us now anyway. Islam is the most intolerant and backward religion there is. I know Judahism and Christianity have been historically violent and intolerant as well but both of them have gone through a renessance, something Islam hasn't. In the modern world there's no comparing the violence perpetrated by Islam with any other religion.
Islam wants to spread itself around the world but can a US Army chaplan wear a cross when a muslim country? No, he can't. God forbid someone make a simple cartoon mocking Muhammad, the entire islamic world throws a hissy fit. A dutch film maker explores the treatment of women in muslim countries and he is murdered.
Now you have an entire country, Iran, which is controlled by fundamentalist Shia Muslims and they have openly stated their intention is to wipe Israel off the map and they are actively pursuing nuclear weapos and their crackpot President actually believes he is here to bring about the end of the world. Then there is pakistan, a country which already has nuclear weapons and it is dangerously unstable and on the verge of falling under control of radical muslims.
Be politically correct all you want but radical Islam is the single biggest threat facing the world today, we should take it VERY seriously.
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Islam wants to spread itself around the world
I'm tired of that stupid complaint. Every philosophy wants to spread itself across the world. They wouldn't survive if followers didn't think the idea was good.
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Be politically correct all you want but radical Islam is the single biggest threat facing the world today, we should take it VERY seriously.
So why would you support the idea of doing things that are likely to increase the number of radical Muslims?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'm tired of that stupid complaint. Every philosophy wants to spread itself across the world. They wouldn't survive if followers didn't think the idea was good.So why would you support the idea of doing things that are likely to increase the number of radical Muslims?
Most other philosiphies don't want to subject us to things like sharia law.
And
we should set up our societies based on what muslims want?
Originally posted by King KandyIslam is not a race it is a religion. If you want to call that racist, maybe you should call it racist whenever a christian or a jew is portrayed as a bad guy.
That's just racist as hell.
when they start throwing out people just because they are middle eastern, i will concede that that's racist. Muslims are just people who follow the islam philosophy. Jews are just people who follow the jewish philosophy. A race is something you're born with, a religion is something you chose. you are a very ignorant person, aren't you?
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Most other philosiphies don't want to subject us to things like sharia law.
Yes they do, all of them. The ideal world for any philosophy is the destruction of all forms of thought that disagree (which is generally most of them).
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
we should set up our societies based on what muslims want?
Of course not, but there's no reason to be hostile towards people that aren't "the enemy" which plenty of Muslims aren't. Not doing things that are blatant attacks on Muslims isn't kowtowing to them it's common sense. Going out of your way to produce more enemies is silly and counter productive.
Now if Muslims, or anyone else for that matter, want to do something that is hostile and then hide behind the shield of religion they deserve to get shot down.
Outlawing Islam in the West will have exactly one effect. Muslims will pour into the Middle East and join terrorist organizations, there won't be any other options left for them.
Or we could follow this line of thinking and outlaw science classes because the might remind some people of the atomic bomb. We could outlaw churches because the cross might remind people of the Inquisition. We could outlaw Chili's restaurants because there was a guy who got heartburn there once and he's scared of them now.
Originally posted by Robtard
That's not a good way of doing things. 'Let's not do something, because the Muslims will then strap bombs', in the general sense.
That's not my argument.
Why could you possibly support a law that will make Muslims angry and have absolutely no other effects? It's that sort of blithering idiocy that kills nations from the inside out.
If you want to institutionalize religious persecution at least come up with something better than "there are some of them that I really hate".
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
[B] The ideal world for any philosophy is the destruction of all forms of thought that disagree (which is generally most of them).]
Except that for the most part Muslims tend to be far more violent towards anything that they perceive to be offensive to their religion. You didn't see Christians rioting worldwide when Passion of the Christ was released.
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Except that for the most part Muslims tend to be far more violent towards anything that they perceive to be offensive to their religion. You didn't see Christians rioting worldwide when Passion of the Christ was released.
Sure. Fortunately rioting and destroying things is already covered by the law of most countries.
Nice work ignoring 3/4 of my post by the way.
Originally posted by One Free Man
Islam is not a race it is a religion. If you want to call that racist, maybe you should call it racist whenever a christian or a jew is portrayed as a bad guy.when they start throwing out people just because they are middle eastern, i will concede that that's racist. Muslims are just people who follow the islam philosophy. Jews are just people who follow the jewish philosophy. A race is something you're born with, a religion is something you chose. you are a very ignorant person, aren't you?
Secondly, you are born into being a jew. Jews are mostly a race. I know plenty of jewish atheists, but as long as you're mother was a jew you are considered jewish in that religion regardless of belief.
Originally posted by King KandyBullshit.
[B]It's not white swiss who are going to have their freedom restricted under this law. It's mostly immigrants from arab nations. If it was white natives who were the driving force behind the islamic community in switzerland, the government would never try a move like this.
Unless you want to argue that there are arabian immigrants who have been there for more than 12 years legally(much less arabians who could have possibly made the cut--hint:none) who have just now built a minaret?
Originally posted by King KandyOnly by ignorant people. the correct nomenclature is "hebrew". and if you are a white jew you bet your ass nobody calls you jewish even if your mother was jewish. Judaism is not mostly a race, it is a religion. period.
Secondly, you are born into being a jew. Jews are mostly a race. I know plenty of jewish atheists, but as long as you're mother was a jew you are considered jewish in that religion regardless of belief.
I enjoy recognizing ignorance in people so quick to recognize "racism[durrr]" when addressing "racism[durr]" that they obviously take part in.
Originally posted by One Free Man
Bullshit.
Switzerland has the toughest naturalization rules in Europe. If you want to become Swiss you must live in the country legally for at least 12 years—and pay taxes, and have no criminal record—before you can apply for citizenship. It still does not mean that your wish will be granted, however, and the fact that you were born in Zurich or Lugano does not make any difference. There are no "amnesties" and illegals are deported if caught. Even if an applicant satisfies all other conditions, the local community in which he resides has the final say: it can interview the applicant and hold a public vote before naturalization is approved. If rejected he can apply again, but only after ten years.Unless you want to argue that there are arabian immigrants who have been there for more than 12 years legally(much less arabians who could have possibly made the cut--hint:none) who have just now built a minaret?
Originally posted by One Free Man
Only by ignorant people. the correct nomenclature is "hebrew". and if you are a white jew you bet your ass nobody calls you jewish even if your mother was jewish. Judaism is not mostly a race, it is a religion. period.I enjoy recognizing ignorance in people so quick to recognize "racism[durrr]" when addressing "racism[durr]" that they obviously take part in.
Originally posted by King Kandynice job on misreading the post.
Wow, what an *******. FYI, I AM Jewish, and every orthodox or hasidic jew i've ever met has fed me the same "belief is irrelevant to being jewish" line. It is right in the ****ing Torah, so yeah if you are "jewish" enough to recognize the commandments then you are going to accept people who's mothers were jewish as being jews.