What is up with the Swiss?

Originally posted by inimalist
The other issue is that of shared heritage and of personal identification, where Jews do have a tendency to behave as a racial group (obvious exceptions of course, but "jewishness" is something that many individuals brought up in the faith will hold onto even after they have abandoned any theological connection to the term). This has the obvious problem of not being empirical, and gets into the odd place where someone who "feels" black might actually be physically white, and vice versa.

Sartre's view on this is interesting: "Judaism is neither national nor international, neither religious nor ethnic, nor political: it is a quasi-historical community."

Beyond that, why does it matter. It isn't cool to oppress people based on distinguishable physical characteristics, and it isn't cool to oppress people based on their personal choices of identification. **** semantics, if you don't like jews or muslims, or don't think they deserve the same rights as everyone else, you are a bigot, regardless of whether you meet the textbook definition of "racist" [/B]

I thought the issue was the Swiss banning of Minarets, and people who are obviously making a stance which is bigoted toward the individual religious rights of Muslims trying to confuse the issue by arguing about what a race is.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Sartre's view on this is interesting: "Judaism is neither national nor international, neither religious nor ethnic, nor political: it is a quasi-historical community."

I'd say that sums it up really well.

They have an very interesting community in that regard. There is probably some great psych lit on it, but I'm unawares

Originally posted by inimalist
Beyond that, why does it matter. It isn't cool to oppress people based on distinguishable physical characteristics, and it isn't cool to oppress people based on their personal choices of identification. **** semantics, if you don't like jews or muslims, or don't think they deserve the same rights as everyone else, you are a bigot, regardless of whether you meet the textbook definition of "racist"

/thread.

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I love how the topic shifted from the minarets in Switzerland to the Jews..

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
I love how the topic shifted from the minarets in Switzerland to the Jews..

Ethnic self-identity is something that resulted from other people's perceptions. It's one of those plymouth rock landed on us kind of things.

Anyway, it's a ridiculous concept. Fighting a foreign culture through architecture. The only time you should ban something like that is when it's an eyesore that no one want to look at.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
The only time you should ban something like that is when it's an eyesore that no one want to look at.

I have the right to build an eyesore if I wish

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Ethnic self-identity is something that resulted from other people's perceptions. It's one of those plymouth rock landed on us kind of things.

Anyway, it's a ridiculous concept. Fighting a foreign culture through architecture. The only time you should ban something like that is when it's an eyesore that no one want to look at.

I was actually thinking of suburban tract housing when I wrote that.

ba dum bum, tssss

Originally posted by inimalist
I have the right to build an eyesore if I wish

And I have the right to fill the basement with dynamite.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Albanians are not the same ethnicity as swiss natives and look markably different.

Precisely.
Albania is the majority Islam country, if there is any ''islam pushing'' into Switzerland, Albanians win this one. There is a massive Albanian immigration to Suisse.

Not to mention the notorious Albanian mafia which traffics heroin, human organs and sex slaves via Albania and now Kosovo.

They be pushing more than Islam into Switzerland...

Hence ethnic warfare through zoning regulations.