Orga seems to be matching up nicely with Laxus. As expected from the Lighting God Slayer.
Also Jura commenting that there were "some strong" fellows here, tells me that Orga and Laxus are near his level.
Wonder who's gonna win the three way fight...We all know that Jura is a monster, but the reactions between laxus and Orga are very different. Orga having a "holy crap!" look, with Laxus having a "bout time you showed up" look.
Either Orga knows his place in the food chain and is below both Laxus and Jura or Laxus is being his big headed self again. I'm guessing Laxus is once again overconfident.
As for the winner, my money is on fairy tail. This is because, as the princes said, the winner is unexpected. With Erza beaten up, Grey already wasted and Laxus and Orga going at it for a good while, all of them should fall easily. But since epxect the unexpected...as expected, fairy tail wins lolololol!
Originally posted by dadudemon
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/fairy_tail/v26/c315/15.html"Take the children! Kill all the adults!"
At any point in history when this was done during a raid, it was to use them as sex slaves (and, often, as a secondary extension, slave labor as they got older). I am having a very difficult time thinking of any circumstance that a raid like that was used for anything by sex-trafficking.
And view the sickos smile on the bottom-left panel:
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/fairy_tail/v26/c315/16.html😠 He's definitely an evil pervert! 😠
Unless, of course, you want us to believe they really captured children because they were the best type of humans to work in the Tower of Zeref? They were an evil cult...evil cults do evil things and getting slave labor from just children seems to be a bit too innocuous of an interpretation of what was actually happening.
"I didn't rape those kids, your honor. All I did was kill all the adults, kidnap all the kids, and enslaved them."
Basically, all the above means is that it is easier to pacify and scare children into hard labor than most adults. like Q said, none of the characters have so much as hinted at sexual abuse that I have read.
Laxus and Erza are monsters in their own right as both pulled of ridiculously outrageous feats during the tournament. (Erza defeating 100 monsters with 1 of the monsters being an S class monster and Laxus defeating the entire Raven Tail team including his father)
If its any indication, Jellal had a shit of a time matching up with Jura, though admittedly he wasn't really using his full power as he was trying to mimic Mystogun's fighting style. But he did recognize that he had to bust out his more "nasty" magic to win. But it is of note, that Laxus recognizes Jura's power as he labeled him a "monster"
As for Ogra, something seems to be really off with him. I mean, AFAIK, all of the God slayer magic were able to trump/overpower the dragon slayer magic. Its odd how Laxus, the artificial lightning dragon slayer is going toe to toe with the lightning god slayer even though history suggests otherwise. Either his lightning magic is already considerably strong on its own with the lacryma giving him a nice boost to compete or Orga is just lame.
I'd say it's simply because Laxus is the more experienced, more powerful fighter. Orga, like his pals, only came on the scene in the last 7 years.
It's not that Orga is lame, it's that his trump is managing to let him hold against a fighter who'd otherwise have much stronger magic.
Take Wendy vs Chelia, for example. Chelia was stronger. Imagine Wendy was a fully experienced adult fighter, while Chelia stayed the exact same. Wendy would no longer be at a power disadvantage in that case.
Other matters can trump the god vs dragon divide, it's just when things are otherwise even, ala Zancrow vs Natsu or Wendy vs Chelia that god magic trumps.
We dont really know that. For all we know, they've all been operating in the shadows or something. Much like how Grimoire Hearts had an insane number of powerful mages we didn't know about until they popped out.
Also, Laxus is what, 23 yrs old? He probably became and S-Class mage around 6-7 years prior to Fairy Tail, so he was about 17-18 when he became strong enough to be an S-class mage. And judging by Orga's power output, he's way beyond a normal S-class mage.
The 7 years of nothing would have allowed enough time for other mages to grow stronger than even the strongest fairy tail member. Hell, even Max was able match up nicely with Natsu who's magic power was strong enough to earn him the right to take the S-class advancement exam.
As for Wendy vs Chelia, all Wendy could do was use her magic to deflect Chelia's. If she tried to go head to head pitting her dragon slayer magic to Chelia's god slayer magic, the outcome would have been very different.
And thats the point, Laxus stayed the same, while Orga had the time to grow stronger. Not to mention he's using God slayer magic...which makes me wonder...where in fraps name do these god slayer magic user come from?
Its like, yo, I'm a god slayer, WUT? where da frap were you guys when the dragons were kicking humanities ass?
I'd like to know how strong laxus is without the lacryma though...It would be cool if he's still bad ass and the only thing that would be missing was his ability to use dragon roar and df...
We dont really know that. For all we know, they've all been operating in the shadows or something. Much like how Grimoire Hearts had an insane number of powerful mages we didn't know about until they popped out.
We the reader didn't know, but Grimoire Heart was a big thing in the magic underworld for some time.
On the other hand, the top 5 mages of Sabertooth are reported to have only taken the stage 3~ years ago.
And we know Rogue and Sting were just kids at the time.
And judging by Orga's power output, he's way beyond a normal S-class mage.
Above Phantom Lord's ranking of S, but not Fairy Tail's, who are held to very high standards.
In the MPF ranking, Jura did not just higher, but literally twice as high as Orga.
The 7 years of nothing would have allowed enough time for other mages to grow stronger than even the strongest fairy tail member.
Perhaps, though Kagura and Minerva are the only two newbies we've seen who're uber.
I'd like to know how strong laxus is without the lacryma though...It would be cool if he's still bad ass and the only thing that would be missing was his ability to use dragon roar and df...
The impression I got was it gave him his spell school. If he didn't have it, he wouldn't have any of the dragon slayer attributes (dragon force, element eating, roar, etc.) and may not even be a lightning user. His dad even called him 'frail' before it was implanted.
However it is his talent which brought it out and made it so strong in any case.
Thats the point, we the readers didn't know about other uber mages other than Fairy Tail mages.
Who's to say that the other mages are just hidding or something.
I also have trouble believing that sting and rouge were just kids since dragons were last seen 7 years prior to the start of Fairy Tail. Natsu's, Gajeel's and Wendy's dragons all disappeared at the same time.
So, how on earth would rouge and sting have dragons teach them dragon salyer magic if there aren't any around to teach them? plus, if it is indeed true that they did kill their dragons, they'd have to be way stronger than natsu and Gajeel. Using Arcnolagia as basis, even the combined power of all the S-class mages did shit to it.
You can't claim that the light and shadow dragons are pussys since you know, light and shadow are usually the odd element out and have stronger magic. Unless of course if you believe that fire is the be all end all most poewrful magic in fairy tail.
I'm calling bull crap on sting and rouge. lots of continuity issues and plot holes.
Also you forget, Natsu, Grey, elfman, Canna, Levi, and Juvia all qualified for the S-class advancement exam, meaning they had the skill/power or brains to be an S-class mage. If Orga were to take on any of them pre-time skip during the tenero Island arc, Orga would beat the shit out of all of them.
Just because phantom lord sucks doesn't mean every other guild have lower standards.
As for Laxus, who really knows? He could have grown out of his "frail" constitution but we'll never really know. Hell, maybe its his lightning magic which influenced the lacryma to turn him into the lightning dragon slayer. Remember, his lame dad was even considering just selling the damn thing. If it were a type of lacryma that made dragon slayers, he'd mostlikely use it himself or implant it into one of his lackys.
Thats the point, we the readers didn't know about other uber mages other than Fairy Tail mages.
But they the characters did. The people who know said these mages burst onto the scene recently, they didn't say they were around but got stronger.
Who's to say that the other mages are just hidding or something.
While technically possible, we've had no indications, so shouldn't jump to conclusions that they've all been strong for a long time without being known.
So, how on earth would rouge and sting have dragons teach them dragon salyer magic if there aren't any around to teach them? plus, if it is indeed true that they did kill their dragons, they'd have to be way stronger than natsu and Gajeel.
Didn't you read Sting's flashback? They were taught the dragon slayer magic before the dragons vanished, and we saw kid-Sting saying the reason he'd target Natsu is because if he did that people'd believe he'd beaten the dragon. I suspect they were able to kill them, but it wasn't a true fight, it was a mercy killing or the like, or the parents just didn't fight back.
Also you forget, Natsu, Grey, elfman, Canna, Levi, and Juvia all qualified for the S-class advancement exam, meaning they had the skill/power or brains to be an S-class mage.
It means they were worth testing.
If Orga were to take on any of them pre-time skip during the tenero Island arc, Orga would beat the shit out of all of them.
I don't agree with that. He hasn't shown *that* much. Especially not Natsu and Grey.
As for Laxus, who really knows? He could have grown out of his "frail" constitution but we'll never really know. Hell, maybe its his lightning magic which influenced the lacryma to turn him into the lightning dragon slayer. Remember, his lame dad was even considering just selling the damn thing. If it were a type of lacryma that made dragon slayers, he'd mostlikely use it himself or implant it into one of his lackys.
The dragon lacryma is basically a 'seed'. Put it in someone and they'll gain dragon slayer magic... but it'll be weak. The person still has to develop and grow the magic up to a high level. Once it's mature, it can probably deliver a fair amount of power once imprinted, but imprinting an immature one doesn't necessarily give all that much, and I'm guessing someone with a mature lacryma still wouldn't have the experience, thus making it, in Ivan's point of view, more valuable for money than direct use.
And it may be that while the magic originally came from the lacryma, Laxus may have imprinting on the magic himself, and he'd only lose stuff like dragon force and the ability to eat magic.
we also shouldn't jump to conclusions that stronger mages weren't there since we dont have any info if they were there or not.
But then again, the wind god slayer is a cute girl...so...again...wtf are these people coming from? some explanation to the origins of god slaying magic would be nice...
Yes, I know that Sting said this and that...but that would make them what? the youngest they would be would be 19. I'm basing this age on wendy, since she was what, 5 or 6 when the wind dragon disappeared and she was 12 when she was first indroduced
By the looks of them, they would be anywhere from19-25. Again, I call bull shit on them killing their dragons in a real battle, they would be at most 11 yrs old when they killed their dragons, and judging by their current showing against Natsu, they didn't do it. Either dragons wnet "hey! killz ME" and bared their weakness or they killed the dragons in their sleep which I doubt as they wouldn't have the raw magic power to do so. Eitherway, its a nasty plot hole which I hope gets adressed soon.
As for the S-class advancement exam, you wouldn't be tested if you didn't have the magic power level or brains to be an S-class. Its not like they suddenly get a power boost after passing the exam. They just earn the title and they can then be considered as S class and can then go on s class missions. So yeah, Natsu, Grey, Elfman, Canna, Levi, Juvia are all S-class level mages. All they need is the title.
Dood! Orga looks to be matching up with Laxus evenly and Laxus would beat any of the S-class candidates...I'm guessing you thought that I was implying that Orga would take all of them at the same time. I meant one on one. Orga would beat any of them one on one. All at the same time? hellz no!
Not saying that you're wrong, but dood, where'd you get that info about the lacryma? I'm basing my assumptions from the edolas arc where they used lacrymas for magic. The lacryma was solidified magic and was used as something like fuel. The dragon lacryma shouldn't be any different IMO. When you slap on a dragon lacryma into someone that someone should get dragon slayer magic and become as strong as the dragon from where the lacryma came from.
In Laxus' case, this is what I'm thinking. But since he uses lightning magic rather than just lightning dragon slayer magic, I'm hoping that his actual lightning magic is uber with or without the lacryma.
we also shouldn't jump to conclusions that stronger mages weren't there since we dont have any info if they were there or not.
Yes we do, we have other mages talking about when they showed up on the public scene.
Dood! Orga looks to be matching up with Laxus evenly and Laxus would beat any of the S-class candidates...I'm guessing you thought that I was implying that Orga would take all of them at the same time. I meant one on one. Orga would beat any of them one on one. All at the same time? hellz no!
No, I meant one-on-one too. Natsu was able to put up some fight against Laxus (and without any lightning resistance on his part), Gajeel could too, Grey just beat up one of Orga's stronger buddies...
I think Orga is probably around that level, just doing a bit better due to being a Lightning God Slayer and the natural advantage that gives against a Lightning Dragon slayer.
Not saying that you're wrong, but dood, where'd you get that info about the lacryma? I'm basing my assumptions from the edolas arc where they used lacrymas for magic. The lacryma was solidified magic and was used as something like fuel. The dragon lacryma shouldn't be any different IMO. When you slap on a dragon lacryma into someone that someone should get dragon slayer magic and become as strong as the dragon from where the lacryma came from.
I'm getting my information from Ivan talking about it and it growing in Laxus and that stuff.
Implanted dragon lacryma isn't just a standard lacryma after all, it's actually in someone and seems to work different.
Originally posted by Q99
Yes we do, we have other mages talking about when they showed up on the public scene.
Yes, thats when they showed up, but what level where they before they did? can you answer that? Nope. It works both ways buddy and not only when it suites your argument.
Originally posted by Q99
No, I meant one-on-one too. Natsu was able to put up some fight against Laxus (and without any lightning resistance on his part), Gajeel could too, Grey just beat up one of Orga's stronger buddies...
Now you're just reaching. Grey just had the 2nd origin unlocked...so yeah, that point is moot, not to mention, "nakama power". They be fighting for Lucy which is, in Fairy tail, insta win.
As for Natsu and Gajeel, they both got moped by Laxus. Only reason they manage to win were 1. Laxus just used up most of his magic power performing fairy law 2. Nakama power for the win. Without that Nakama thing, where in obviously they'd win, Natsu and Grey never would have stood a chance.
Lets also not forget Laxus' showing against Hades where in he did better than all of team Natsu combined. This tells me that Orga matching up with a Laxus+6months training would beat any of the S-class candidates.
Originally posted by Q99
I'm getting my information from Ivan talking about it and it growing in Laxus and that stuff.Implanted dragon lacryma isn't just a standard lacryma after all, it's actually in someone and seems to work different.
Kindly point me to the issue number, since all I remember is Ivan mentioning that he implanted Laxus with the Lacryma when Gajeel asked about Laxus being a dragon slayer. But if its from the Anime, its not canon.
Are you sure you're not making this up?