Fairy Tail

Now you're just reaching. Grey just had the 2nd origin unlocked...so yeah, that point is moot, not to mention, "nakama power".

Even before that, he fought against magic-council member Ultear. Grey is no pushover.

As for Natsu and Gajeel, they both got moped by Laxus. Only reason they manage to win were 1. Laxus just used up most of his magic power performing fairy law 2. Nakama power for the win. Without that Nakama thing, where in obviously they'd win, Natsu and Grey never would have stood a chance.

There was a lot of fighting before that point, fighting where Natsu, before Gajeel joined the battle, landed quite a few blows (ala here, Laxus is just as scuffed from Natsu as he is against Orga).

Sure, Laxus was in the end the stronger than the pair once he pulled out all the stops, but you're rating Orga based on a fight that's barely started, Laxus hasn't brought out his true strength yet.

Natsu on his own did more than Orga has so far (which is not very much). You can't conclude he's stronger based on that.

Lets also not forget Laxus' showing against Hades where in he did better than all of team Natsu combined.

The beat up Team Natsu, all of whom had just fought Kin of Purgatory, compared to the totally fresh Laxus. And in both cases lots of attacks were landed on Hades, and did jack squat.

This tells me that Orga matching up with a Laxus+6months training would beat any of the S-class candidates.

Matched for barely the beginning of a fight, Laxus hasn't gotten serious yet. You're jumping the gun.

Orga might be able to stand up to his level, but *so far* he hasn't shown it or done any better than Natsu did.

Kindly point me to the issue number, since all I remember is Ivan mentioning that he implanted Laxus with the Lacryma when Gajeel asked about Laxus being a dragon slayer. But if its from the Anime, its not canon.

Are you sure you're not making this up?

I don't watch the anime, that scene's in both.

I'm not entirely sure it grows rather than the person just growing to use it better, but considering that people with lacryma dragon magic do grow much stronger with training just like everyone else, it is the impression that I get.

Originally posted by Q99
Even before that, he fought against magic-council member Ultear. Grey is no pushover.

No ones saying that Grey's a pushover. He's just not up there with the others.

Originally posted by Q99
There was a lot of fighting before that point, fighting where Natsu, before Gajeel joined the battle, landed quite a few blows (ala here, Laxus is just as scuffed from Natsu as he is against Orga).

Sure, Laxus was in the end the stronger than the pair once he pulled out all the stops, but you're rating Orga based on a fight that's barely started, Laxus hasn't brought out his true strength yet.

Natsu on his own did more than Orga has so far (which is not very much). You can't conclude he's stronger based on that.

The beat up Team Natsu, all of whom had just fought Kin of Purgatory, compared to the totally fresh Laxus. And in both cases lots of attacks were landed on Hades, and did jack squat.

Matched for barely the beginning of a fight, Laxus hasn't gotten serious yet. You're jumping the gun.

Orga might be able to stand up to his level, but *so far* he hasn't shown it or done any better than Natsu did.

Yes, I'm rating Orga base on a fight that has just begun and hasn't been shown. If anything, its you who is jumping the gun and assuming that Orga is not all that.

Laxus doesn't play around, base on all of his showings, he either kicks his opponent's ass or the opponent matches up or is stronger. He has never been shown to play around and go easy. If Orga wasn't on Laxus' level, the fight would have been over.

Suuuure...keep telling yourself that Laxus did squat to Hades. You've always been placing Natsu and the others way higher than they should be.

Team Natsu got their ass kicked by Hades far worse than Laxus' did all by himself. At the end of the dey, Laxus had the better showing against Hades, hell, he even had a better showing than the old guy. Deal with it.

As for the lacryma...yeah, you're making things up. Lacryma doesnt grow. Its concentrated magic in phyiscal/crystal form. The Lacryma or dragon lacryma grant's the user or the one infused with it the ability to use dragon slayer magic. The dragon slayer magic in essence, gives him a boost since you know, dragon slayer magic is awesome.

If anything, the lacryma runs out of magic power as shown in Edolas where in once you use up the magic, its gone.

Sorry bro, but making things up is just not cool. I was like, wut? the lacryma in Laxus was a seed and it grew? did i miss something? then you went, Ivan said it, then I went looking for it and all Ivan said was he implanted the lacryma without any mention of it being a seed or anything.

Nothing personal buddy, but making things up is just not cool at all.

No ones saying that Grey's a pushover. He's just not up there with the others.

I'm saying he could last this long against Laxus, is my point.

Yes, I'm rating Orga base on a fight that has just begun and hasn't been shown. If anything, its you who is jumping the gun and assuming that Orga is not all that.

Laxus doesn't play around, base on all of his showings, he either kicks his opponent's ass or the opponent matches up or is stronger. He has never been shown to play around and go easy. If Orga wasn't on Laxus' level, the fight would have been over.

Except that wasn't true in Natsu's case one bit. Natsu was able to hold his own for some time, even though Natsu + Gajeel couldn't win.

Natsu fought on his own for way longer than Orga has held out so far.

If holding out for a bit and doing some hits is your requirement, then Natsu, Gajeel, and Grey could all meet it pretty easily, and Natsu actually has met that requirement several times over.

Nothing personal buddy, but making things up is just not cool at all.

Eh, I misremembered. It happens.

I have, however, checked the Natsu vs Laxus scene and am not misremembering that.

Heck, for all we know, Orga could be stronger than Laxus! (Unlikely, but...)

All we know is 'they've briefly fought without much being done to either side.' That could easily range from weaker than Grey to stronger than Jura. We just don't know yet.

Oh yea, and the power gauge thing, which suggests 'half as powerful as Jura'. So probably not too high, but he may have other things going for him besides blastiness.

Originally posted by Q99
Oh yea, and the power gauge thing, which suggests 'half as powerful as Jura'. So probably not too high, but he may have other things going for him besides blastiness.

Yes, this. A relatively weak magical user could easily be a massively powerful magical user if their magics don't jive up.

Pretend one is a sleepy magic and the other is just a blaster type. Blaster type approaches really weak sleepy type and then falls asleep as he powers up his massive blast. Game over.

Sleepy type would register a 5 on the magic scale and the blaster type 8000.

That was an example. I did not intend to imply Jura was an idiot that would walk into such a trap: he's smart in addition to being powerful.

And every time two people of the same element has fought, it's take awhile, hasn't it?

Natsu vs Totomaru or Zancrow. Jura vs Hoteyes. Wendy vs Chelia.

Users of an element are always resistant to their own element. Even when facing a stronger foe using the same element, it's not a quick fight.

Originally posted by Q99
And every time two people of the same element has fought, it's take awhile, hasn't it?

Natsu vs Totomaru or Zancrow. Jura vs Hoteyes. Wendy vs Chelia.

Users of an element are always resistant to their own element. Even when facing a stronger foe using the same element, it's not a quick fight.

Yeah, that's true. I can't think of anything to contradict you...and I did try. 🙂

Ooh, new chapter, mostly foreshadowing and backstory... that's why Rogue is focused on Gajeel.

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And he was bald...??

One interesting thing is he views the only two who can beat FT as Minerva, due to her being 'impossibly powerful,' and Sting, due to the Lectrer thing.

318 is OUT

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I like the chapter. Gajeel shadow form design was alluring. I expected Rogue to stomp Gajeel and die with Levy near him like what was shown in the future.

Yukino and the guy is missing, I wonder where they went. Mira going after Yukino was cute, so sisterly. I think Yukino is older than Mira, correct me if I'm wrong.

Jellel and his crew is still sitting on their asses like a boss.

Looking forward to Future Lucy, Rogue evil shadow and their connection to Zeref.

Oh my, that was quite badass!

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And it's like Natsu becoming Fire Lightning dragon, but with shadow.

Dunno who's older between Mira and Yukino. I got the impression Yukino is fairly young.

So wait....Gajeel ate the shadow demon and is now infused with its power?

So wait...Gajeel knows the shadow demon or something?

What's going on?

Originally posted by dadudemon
So wait....Gajeel ate the shadow demon and is now infused with its power?

So wait...Gajeel knows the shadow demon or something?

What's going on?

Gajeel ate the shadow dragon power, and now is in Iron Shadow mode just like Natsu's Lightning Fire mode.

He has no idea who the shadow demon is, but does know Rogue and his true name, Raios.

I'm not sure what to think of this chapter. Sure Gajeel looks pretty bawss but Dragon Slayers eating things other than their own element is getting a bit out of hand.

Though it still isn't as bad as the Hades fight.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I'm not sure what to think of this chapter. Sure Gajeel looks pretty bawss but Dragon Slayers eating things other than their own element is getting a bit out of hand.

Natsu did show it was possible. I'm going to hypothesize it's something only 1st gens can do.

Hmm..there's a though. I also noticed Gajeel no longer has scales in his armor for. It looks cooler.

Edit: I was looking forward to Gajeel using Dragonforce but this works I guess.

I think considering he's all metal-y that he is in dragonforce.

I really liked this issue.

Originally posted by Q99
Natsu did show it was possible. I'm going to hypothesize it's something only 1st gens can do.

Originally posted by Q99
I think considering he's all metal-y that he is in dragonforce.

Gajeel could already do the full-armor thing only this time he isn't scaly.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Gajeel could already do the full-armor thing only this time he isn't scaly.

And he's got shadow on top ^^

It wouldn't surprise me if double-element mode automatically activates the base dragonforce.

Episode 168 is out:

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Just saw the episode and I like the pacing. Sadly I don't recall much of Milliana and Eve fight in the manga. I wonder if Hiro will expand there powers base on the anime staff direction or maybe they work in collaboration in this episode, anyone know?

The preview of the next fight looks nice, lot of movement and attacks. I wish Laxus still has his cocky attitude like back in the day. I'm assuming Laxus mother has blonde hair, what happen to her anyways...

Mira cheering for Laxus makes my heart all warm and fuzzy. Everyone cheering (including Gajeel) was nice and seeing Natsu blush made me ROFL. How many people does Natsu looks up too?