Originally posted by jinzinI mean look at this statement its oozing of your biased opinions
All Creed needs to do is grab her once like he did with Sinister's supermen or like AoA did with the Starbrand.
and grab her once 😬 seriously... dude her HF is amazing as well as his
Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine being faster from half a room away on the draw is proof that he's quicker than Drac in some respect, and... we KNOW Sabretooth's faster than that.
No it doesn't slower characters have done shit like that to faster characters before.
Originally posted by jinzin
But somehow you people think Spitfire blindsiding an inferior opponent in melee IS proof of something in this thread? Puh-lease!
Ok are you listening? Dracula knew she was there. A slower oponent could have not hit Dracula so may times and get away with it.
Originally posted by jinzin
I'm tired of this nonsense... Dracula never "beat" any teams of X-men; he tried to use hit and run tactics while the team was in the midst of dealing with other problems....
I'm not taking your word for it.
Originally posted by jinzin
How did Dracula beat Wolverine? By writers ignoring his entire rogues gallery... awesome that was...
Theres no point in debating with you. Its always PIS and Wolverines HF is always weakened. You don't think its a coincedence that this is always the case? You're not Einstein you can't always be right.
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
hmm you do know some people believe dracula to be stronger than sabretooth and vice versa.you should start putting IMO at the end of sentences
Oh I know, which is why I've been saying that we're not "convinced".... it's a notion in context that shouldn't be overlooked... otherwise I'd just be making statements like they were facts... as such I don't need to put an "imo" at the end of those statements. 😬
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
back on topic
spitfire speed blitzes sabretooth just as Hans did
Does she fail like Hans did too?! dur
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
I mean look at this statement its oozing of your biased opinions
Hans clearly was kicking sabretooth azz in that scan before he even used that beam... CIS made him pick up sabretooth like an azz in which he used beam... resulting in sabretooth playing opposum to even get a hitand grab her once 😬 seriously... dude her HF is amazing as well as his
Again, Sabretooth pounced Hans from half a rooftop away, and snatched mini-Hans out of the air.... The only time speed was working effectively against him was when he wasn't expecting it. 😐
In any case, it's not a statement that oozes of bias... superspeed did NOTHING to help Hans as soon as Sabretooth got ahold of him. So essentially that statement is correct, as he countered super speedsters in both instances. All Sabretooth has to do is grab her and it's the beginning of the end.....
Originally posted by DeadlineSo we ignore the one direct reference of speed between Dracula and Wolverine because?..... Because you don't like it? Because you don't like me?
No it doesn't slower characters have done shit like that to faster characters before.
Originally posted by DeadlineNo one's saying she isn't fast, just saying your example sucks... as usual.
Ok are you listening? Dracula knew she was there. A slower oponent could have not hit Dracula so may times and get away with it.
Originally posted by DeadlinePffft you never do.
I'm not taking your word for it.
Originally posted by Deadline
Theres no point in debating with you.
Originally posted by DeadlineNo it's not a coincidence because it's ALWAYS dealing with people like YOU who are purposefully trying to lowball the character using bad feats or feats that fall out of line with his norm at the very least.
Its always PIS and Wolverines HF is always weakened. You don't think its a coincedence that this is always the case? You're not Einstein you can't always be right.
Wolverine being incapacitated by ONE slash from Dracula's half inch fingernails ISN'T out of line with his typical representation?
Is that what you really think? REALLY Alfiem? REALLY?
Because I can guarantee you this....
That isn't even in line with the typical representation of THAT particular writer... and HIS take on the healing factor is typically weak compared to Wolverine's norm... he doesn't even think Sabretooth should be able to heal burnt eyes or a lost hand.
In fact, I can guarantee I could give you a dozen examples of how that type of attack will do NOTHING to slow Wolverine down... I can give you one example where he disproves it a dozen times in one sitting.
What's hilarious here is the stinking hypocrisy that you only get when you tangle with the Phantom Zone! 😂
We can ignore the fact that Wolverine blitzed Drac because... well... BECAUSE!
But Drac downs Wolvie with one claw slash in the very NEXT PANEL and that's how Wolvie should be written! thumbsup
Yikes boy... that's pretty ridiculous, even for you.
Originally posted by Badabing😂
I've noticed that too. mmm
That's only because you have to moderate these.... debates I have with Zone...
It's like a Ragnarok cycle mane!
Zone's trying to make an argument against Wolverine/related character.
Zone's making argument in spite of plausibility, rationality, historical accounts, typical representation, 616 Marvel.
Zone needs evidence to back argument up.
Only evidence that exists is low in numerical value and/or sorrounded by circumstances.
Zone feels comfortable with argument based on circumstantial/low showing Logan.
Zone dodges overwhelming existence of counter evidence....
Zone wins.
Originally posted by jinzinHans wouldn't have failed without thd CIS/PIS
Oh I know, which is why I've been saying that we're not "convinced".... it's a notion in context that shouldn't be overlooked... otherwise I'd just be making statements like they were facts... as such I don't need to put an "imo" at the end of those statements. 😬Does she fail like Hans did too?! dur
Again, Sabretooth pounced Hans from half a rooftop away, and snatched mini-Hans out of the air.... The only time speed was working effectively against him was when he wasn't expecting it. 😐
In any case, it's not a statement that oozes of bias... superspeed did NOTHING to help Hans as soon as Sabretooth got ahold of him. So essentially that statement is correct, as he countered super speedsters in both instances. All Sabretooth has to do is grab her and it's the beginning of the end.....
Originally posted by Badabing
I've noticed that too. mmm
The natural results of writing a character who is depicted generally as being virtually unbeatable. If a writer needs for him to be taken down, he can write it happening organically over the course of a long fight (like the work of Jason Aaron), concoct a scenario that allows it happen easily (ie: weakened healing factor), or he can just ignore the characters canon and do it in a way that is contradictory to the characters history (ie PIS). That leaves us in a situation where the majority of examples that can be used to formulate an argument against Wolverine are situational and irrelevant or flat out PIS... and yet they keep getting brought up... and people get bent out of shape when you have to explain to them that the gutter-filth examples they are bringing up are irrelevant.
If the only Superman examples that someone brought up were of the same caliber of Clark having trouble with Toyman, or Black Rock, struggling to lift the Daily Planet globe or being downed by power lines, then you would hear the same points as you do in Wolverine threads. Luckily Superman doesn't get low balled and judged on the merits of his lowest level feats like Wolverine does, so it doesn't come up. If someone doesn't want to be told that the examples they are citing are PIS or dependent on the context of the issue, the easily solution is not to bring up feats of questionable validity. I mean no one brings up the fact that Dracula got beat by a mountain goat... and yet the fact that Wolverine got koyed by a deer (and he didn't if you know the actual context... but whatever) comes up in virtually every thread he is involved in.