Spitfire vs Sabretooth

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
so his durability wins the fight
despite he'll be getting constantly attacked and is to slow to react to her...even if he did her HF would work its magic she continues her speed blitz...I see... sabes has this in the bag 😎

Spitfire is not too fast for Creed to react to... She's faster than him yes, but any attempt she makes at turning this into a melee contest is a waste of her time.

You think someone who can't flawlessly outpace Blade in melee combat is going to flawlessly outpace Sabretooth?
You think someone who's faster than Wolverine is really going to have a hard time eventually getting ahold of her?
You think someone who can snatch someone out of the air using storms flight and quicksilver's speed won't be able to touch Spitfire?

Of course you do, because you're another classic Wolvie team hater doesn't matter whom they're pit against.

How the hell is she going to beat Creed then? He isn't going to punch him out. She's not going to claw him unconscious.... so tell me what does she do to win here?

Originally posted by jinzin
Which is just par for the course when it comes to Wolverine and his brood.

Doesn't matter how many times a character does something impressive... if he's a Wolverine related character.. he can't do it.. 😂

Nevermind the fact that Sabretooth didn't even drop til he got blasted with ten people using Cyclops' optic blast and dropped another 20 stories into a city street before they stopped him.

Hans (who has an awesome name btw) has everything that it takes to take down Sabes or Wolverine or Spider-man. This guy seems ****ing invincible.

EDIT: Just for the record I'm not arguing against Creed here just against that paticular feat.

nobodies a wolvie team hater its just you're a wolvie team nuthugger

Originally posted by jinzin
Spitfire is not too fast for Creed to react to... She's faster than him yes, but any attempt she makes at turning this into a melee contest is a waste of her time.

You think someone who can't flawlessly outpace Blade in melee combat is going to flawlessly outpace Sabretooth?
You think someone who's faster than Wolverine is really going to have a hard time eventually getting ahold of her?
You think someone who can snatch someone out of the air using storms flight and quicksilver's speed won't be able to touch Spitfire?

Of course you do, because you're another classic Wolvie team hater doesn't matter whom they're pit against.

How the hell is she going to beat Creed then? He isn't going to punch him out. She's not going to claw him unconscious.... so tell me what does she do to win here?

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Ths CIS argument works both ways.

Why did he grab him and hold him in the air (actually why does anyone in comics, it never turns out well)? Why didn't he keep bltizing?

Why did he stop after one eyeblast?

On all counts? because he thought he had the fight in the bag... He got overconfident and probably didn't think Tooth could claw him.

In any case the overall feat holds water.. It proves that a combination of superspeed and superstrength are not enough reason to give someone a win over Sabretooth.

Doesn't matter much seeing how Sabretooth had already become familiar with the speed issue by the time the second one showed up.

sabes was clearly outmatched against a speedster with a HF

not a regular speedster
not some guy with a HF

spitfire =

a speedster with a HF...a strength to boot
sabes looses point blank period...no ifs ands or but...thats the way the cookie crumbles

spitfire 8/10

Originally posted by Parmaniac
That's not the point, I mean if he wouldn't have grabbed him he could have done the famous hia8 "combo to KO" or non stop keep firing his eye blast.

Hans (who has an awesome name btw) has everything that it takes to take down Sabes or Wolverine or Spider-man. This guy seems ****ing invincible.

EDIT: Just for the record I'm not arguing against Creed here just against that paticular feat.

Yeah the clones were definitely badass and probably would have been invincible to a certain degree had they perfected their telepathy... but that's MY point.
Sabretooth/Wolverine.. these guys have certain attributes that make them almost impossible to beat straight up in melee combat for most characters... This example is more proof to that point.

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
nobodies a wolvie team hater its just you're a wolvie team nuthugger

Because I build my arguments based on facts, citations, and probable outcomes?

Sorry what do you use again?

Originally posted by King Castle
she'll win by using an attack she has never used before on panel nor mentioned... b/c in a forum fight a character is bestowed with the knowledge to win and know the character and the power to pull it off while making them controllable by the person arguing for them while completely hampering the other and suppressing his full potential and average showing.(sarcasm) 🙄

asked and answered... so it's ass backwards conjecture then? Yeah, thought so... but I'm a nut-hugger... great. 🙄

Originally posted by jinzin
Because I build my arguments based on facts, citations, and probable outcomes?

Sorry what do you use again?

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
sabes was clearly outmatched against a speedster with a HF

not a regular speedster
not some guy with a HF

a speedster with a HF...a strength to boot
sabes looses point blank period...no ifs ands or but...thats the way the cookie crumbles

spitfire 8/10

He clearly wasn't outmatched considering that he put one down and put up a suitable advantage over the other.

Actually the "cookie crumbles" on the side of evidence..... usually evidence matters... not that you would know anything about that.

HOW DOES SHE WIN?

she uses her quarter inch claws and scratches his body and face..

Originally posted by jinzin
On all counts? because he thought he had the fight in the bag... He got overconfident and probably didn't think Tooth could claw him.

In any case the overall feat holds water.. It proves that a combination of superspeed and superstrength are not enough reason to give someone a win over Sabretooth.

Doesn't matter much seeing how Sabretooth had already become familiar with the speed issue by the time the second one showed up.

But that certainly wasn't disproven. In fact, the only way it is disproven is if you account CIS into it. Not everyone is going to stop blitzing someone just to grab them by the throat...

I didn't realize both of them were exactly the same, or it was the same scenario... at all.

I really don't see how this feat is really relevant to anything considering how much PIS and factors were involved in it.

hmm... she uses her speed like hans did... doesnt pick sabes up... = win

Originally posted by King Castle
she uses her quarter inch claws and scratches his body and face..

Yep... worked great against Blade. 🙄

Originally posted by King Castle
why are we pretending spitfire's combat speed is sufficient to make her untouchable to guys like creed when her speed wasnt enough to make her untouchable when fighting blade.

I don't think she will be untouchable but she was holding back with Blade to an extent.

Originally posted by jinzin
Yep... worked great against Blade. 🙄

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
hmm... she uses her speed like hans did... doesnt pick sabes up... = win

i honestly dont see her being a threat to too many characters when it comes to grabbing or dodging her let alone if she decides to fight close quarter with a killer like sabe..

her speed is going to be seriously hampered if she is sticking and moving and running around sabe..

she is just screaming to get hit and hit hard if she tries her BS blade melee tactic fighting

Didn't Blade just try to kill Spitfire before they fought?

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Just like how Sabertooth got overconfident, and didn't think he could heal?

But that certainly wasn't disproven. In fact, the only way it is disproven is if you account CIS into it. Not everyone is going to stop blitzing someone just to grab them by the throat...

I didn't realize both of them were exactly the same, or it was the same scenario... at all.

I really don't see how this feat is really relevant to anything considering how much PIS and factors were involved in it.

What we see there is that a combination of superspeed backed by class 100 punches are not enough to take Sabretooth out of a fight alone... In fact it took MUCH MUCH MUCH more damage just to get Sabretooth to keel over.

It proves that Sabretooth can compensate for superspeed after becoming familiar with someone's abilities.

It proves that a combination of superspeed and superstrength are ALSO not an answer to a melee engagement once Sabretooth CAN get ahold of you.

Actually the only way you can assume that it supports that superspeed and strength are enough to take Creed out of the fight is if you flat out ignore what actually took him out of the fight... And that has nothing to do with PIS.