Originally posted by srankmissingnindude why even bring it up then outrunning bullets is F'ing fast but no... you have to put your 2 cents in talking about her classic speed vs her current speed which is irrelevant ... GTFO
Which is why I said [b]classic levels she could run at 50 mph, and current levels she can just barely outrun bullets. Three cheers for reading comprehension! [/B]
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
dude why even bring it up then outrunning bullets is F'ing fast but no... you have to put your 2 cents in talking about her classic speed vs her current speed which is irrelevant ... GTFO
My point is that she isn't now nor has ever been all that fast. Currently she is capable of reaching speeds just barely above mach 1. A top speed of somewhere around 700-1000 mph straight line sprint... it isn't exactly a deal breaker for someone with superhuman reflexes, even if she could hit and maintain her maximum speed in combat
Originally posted by King Castleplease tell me what does this have to do with anything... so cap can dodge bullets and sabes can get shot...😬
interesting.. since her linear speed is not indicative of her combat speed. and some one like Cap can easily see bullets and shown evidence of the ability to dodge them..now Sabe has no real need to dodge is more then willing to take a hit in exchange for a grab or stab claw strike..
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Or you can outright ignore me pointing out your double standard... that'll show me!
How is this a double standard? I saw your point; I never argued against the fact that Hans stopped blasting Sabretooth or that Sabretooth cheapshotted him the second time around.... None of that has anything to do with the proofs I've been taking from the example. 😐
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Fact is, he stopped using superspeed. And the little guy on the edge of the roof isn't proof that he suddenly became faster and adapted to superspeed... at all.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Also, I see you throwing around 'class 100'. Any proof he was a class 100?
They were showing tossing tanks around, knocking sentinal sized robots around and we know that the superstrength was developed from using Namor's physiology to create a Namor clone as was relievent earlier in the arc... though I suppose we should ignore that and pretend Sinister would make an inferior model.... 🙄
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
No, superspeed is usually never the answer to someone grabbing you...I never assumed it could take him out. I never did at all. I said it wasn't disproven that it couldn't take him out, because he didn't use it for very long. There's a difference.
Yeah the difference being in the EXTREME difference in strength between Spitfire and Hans... She could land punches on someone all day and only hope to do a fraction of a couple class 100 flush shots...
It disproves super speed being a sure fire tactic when the second superman attempted to use it on Sabretooth and was at an immediate disadvantage...
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
This fight didn't prove much of nothing, like I said before. Other than a lot of PIS, and factors. Let me state what I mean because you're clearly not following.
PIS is the cheapshots. Both Hans and Sabertooth.
PIS is the letting up. From both Hans and Sabertooth. Hans let up twice. Sabertooth as you mentioned let up.
The factors are them fighting on rooftops.
Not everyone is hating on Wolverine related characters at all times, I'm just saying I'm not too sure this really proves anything.
Proves plenty. None of the points I brought up in that previous post are conjecture it's just what's there on printed paper free from the constraints of PIS or CIS. In the OVERALL scope of things CIS was involved, but it doesn't make those specific points any less true.
I am following you but your argument assumes I'm taking a position that I've never made.
And the hate comment wasn't directed at you for your information... who isn't following who?
Originally posted by srankmissingninLMAO you're hilarious
My point is that she isn't now nor has ever been all that fast. Currently she is capable of reaching speeds just barely above mach 1. A top speed of somewhere around 700-1000 mph straight line sprint... it isn't exactly a deal breaker for someone with superhuman reflexes, even if she could hit and maintain her maximum speed in combat
everyone who has posted seems to understand shes F'ing fast but you have to say exactly how fast even considering its a comic world 😆 ... even when you give a estimation its still F'ing fast 😆
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
LMAO you're hilariouseveryone who has posted seems to understand shes F'ing fast but you have to say exactly how fast even considering its a comic world 😆 ... even when you give a estimation its still F'ing fast 😆
What are you going on about?
Wolverine can chamber and throw a punch 8 times faster than the average person's finger tip reaction time. Sabretooth is as fast or faster. 700-1000mph simply isn't fast enough to fight Sabretooth and not get hit, she isn't Northstar.
Originally posted by jinzin
Actually in that arc she was proving a point to Blade that she was in control of her vampire heritage.She also has a crush on Blade.
It's pretty clear that she wasn't going for the kill... since, she could have killed him and didn't do so.
But all the same, the notion that Blade only hit her in melee because she was "holding back" isn't something that was suggested on panel.He landed an attack for every three she landed on got disarmed but he still landed flush attacks on her in mid-combat.
it's like arguing someone's holding back in an MMA match because he doesn't want to continue punching an opponent who's already out.
I dunno man I'm pretty sure you've argued shit like that before. Your right to an extent but writers tend not to think in that much detail. Oh yeah she wasn't holding back against Dracula and look what happened to him.
By the way this is what you said earlier.
Originally posted by jinzin
Uh, no, YOU established that by ignoring the context and character histories of everything that was going on in the arc. Spitfire literally could have killed Blade easily and chose not to, because she was making a point, she wasn't out for blood.
In all fairness though I did say she wasn't holding back.