Spitfire isn't Northstar or Quicksilver, she isn't even Speed. At her classic levels her power was to be able to run 50mph, currently, unless she gotten a significant speed boost I am unaware off, she is barely fast enough to out run bullets. Not exactly unhittable for some with easily 10x human reflexes.
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
hmm... she uses her speed like hans did... doesnt pick sabes up... = win
🤨
You must have some issue with your attention span....
Again, once Sabretooth wasn't being surprised by what was happening he was easily able to deal with the speed issue.
Even then... okay she uses her speed..... and then what?
Originally posted by srankmissingninYou might be right.
Spitfire isn't Northstar or Quicksilver, she isn't even Speed. At her classic levels her power was to be able to run 50mph, currently, unless she gotten a significant speed boost I am unaware off, she is barely fast enough to out run bullets. Not exactly unhittable for some with easily 10x human reflexes.
Originally posted by King CastleOMFG stop bringing up Blade she was clearly holding back look at it again and stop bringing up Blade because you're backed into a corner
her speed didnt seem to work the least bit on blade...i honestly dont see her being a threat to too many characters when it comes to grabbing or dodging her let alone if she decides to fight close quarter with a killer like sabe..
her speed is going to be seriously hampered if she is sticking and moving and running around sabe..
she is just screaming to get hit and hit hard if she tries her BS blade melee tactic fighting
i'm not backed into any corner..
we know her speed isnt that superior then you average meta human..
she can run in linear speed at what sub mach speed to pace a bullet..
that lvl of speed isnt anything special that guys like wolverine, spiderman and sabe cant anticipate, dodge or counter and we know her speed also takes a dive in close quarter fighting....
linear speed is not the same as combat reflexive speed.
Originally posted by srankmissingninyou can run up walls at 50 miles an hour :l
Spitfire isn't Northstar or Quicksilver, she isn't even Speed. At her classic levels her power was to be able to run 50mph, currently, unless she gotten a significant speed boost I am unaware off, she is barely fast enough to out run bullets. Not exactly unhittable for some with easily 10x human reflexes.
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
OMFG stop bringing up Blade she was clearly holding back look at it again and stop bringing up Blade because you're backed into a corner
Here's the problem....
The Blade vs. Spitfire fight is comic book EVIDENCE.
You think she was holding back..... and I agree in some ways, she was.... but even thinking that, it seems to me that her performance against Blade mid-fight wasn't as impressive as it could be for someone who is supposed to be untouchable to a person like Sabretooth.... which makes your point about her holding back against Blade in melee... comic book CONJECTURE.... or an ASSUMPTION... it lacks a certain degree of proof.
So... what we need is proof that she can hang in a melee confrontation with someone at or near Sabretooth's level without being touched.... please...... provide this, we'll be waiting.
Originally posted by jinzinHelp me understand this. Why would she hold back against somebody who just recently tried to kill her? We've seen that Spitfire has no issues killing, even innocents.
Here's the problem....The Blade vs. Spitfire fight is comic book EVIDENCE.
You think she was holding back..... and I agree in some ways, she was.... but even thinking that, it seems to me that her performance against Blade mid-fight wasn't as impressive as it could be for someone who is supposed to be untouchable to a person like Sabretooth.... which makes your point about her holding back against Blade in melee... comic book CONJECTURE.... or an ASSUMPTION... it lacks a certain degree of proof.
So... what we need is proof that she can hang in a melee confrontation with someone at or near Sabretooth's level without being touched.... please...... provide this, we'll be waiting.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Help me understand this. Why would she hold back against somebody who just recently tried to kill her? We've seen that Spitfire has no issues killing, even innocents.
Actually in that arc she was proving a point to Blade that she was in control of her vampire heritage.
She also has a crush on Blade.
It's pretty clear that she wasn't going for the kill... since, she could have killed him and didn't do so.
But all the same, the notion that Blade only hit her in melee because she was "holding back" isn't something that was suggested on panel.
He landed an attack for every three she landed on got disarmed but he still landed flush attacks on her in mid-combat.
it's like arguing someone's holding back in an MMA match because he doesn't want to continue punching an opponent who's already out.
Originally posted by jinzinSo what are you saying?
Actually in that arc she was proving a point to Blade that she was in control of her vampire heritage.She also has a crush on Blade.
It's pretty clear that she wasn't going for the kill... since, she could have killed him and didn't do so.
But all the same, the notion that Blade only hit her in melee because she was "holding back" isn't something that was suggested on panel.He landed an attack for every three she landed on got disarmed but he still landed flush attacks on her in mid-combat.
it's like arguing someone's holding back in an MMA match because he doesn't want to continue punching an unarmed opponent.
Originally posted by jinzinOr you can outright ignore me pointing out your double standard... that'll show me!
Well perhaps it's because you need to widen your scope?What we see there is that a combination of superspeed backed by class 100 punches are not enough to take Sabretooth out of a fight alone... In fact it took MUCH MUCH MUCH more damage just to get Sabretooth to keel over.
It proves that Sabretooth can compensate for superspeed after becoming familiar with someone's abilities.
It proves that a combination of superspeed and superstrength are ALSO not an answer to a melee engagement once Sabretooth CAN get ahold of you.
Actually the only way you can assume that it supports that superspeed and strength are enough to take Creed out of the fight is if you flat out ignore what actually took him out of the fight... And that has nothing to do with PIS.
Fact is, he stopped using superspeed. And the little guy on the edge of the roof isn't proof that he suddenly became faster and adapted to superspeed... at all.
Also, I see you throwing around 'class 100'. Any proof he was a class 100?
No, superspeed is usually never the answer to someone grabbing you...
I never assumed it could take him out. I never did at all. I said it wasn't disproven that it couldn't take him out, because he didn't use it for very long. There's a difference.
This fight didn't prove much of nothing, like I said before. Other than a lot of PIS, and factors. Let me state what I mean because you're clearly not following.
PIS is the cheapshots. Both Hans and Sabertooth.
PIS is the letting up. From both Hans and Sabertooth. Hans let up twice. Sabertooth as you mentioned let up.
The factors are them fighting on rooftops.
Not everyone is hating on Wolverine related characters at all times, I'm just saying I'm not too sure this really proves anything.
Originally posted by srankmissingninhow fast is speed for a while i figure he was mach speed at best maybe could hit mach 2 but i bn hearing different lately.. 😮
Spitfire isn't Northstar or Quicksilver, she isn't even Speed. At her classic levels her power was to be able to run 50mph, currently, unless she gotten a significant speed boost I am unaware off, she is barely fast enough to out run bullets. Not exactly unhittable for some with easily 10x human reflexes.