Zannah runs a guantlet.

'Powerless?' He threw off her spell. Let's look at this much more reasonably:
1. Have we ever seen anyone prepared for Zannah's sorcery attacks fall victim to them? No. Not even a weakened Bane trying to snatch her body. When Bane has since admitted he has no talent for Sith Sorcery
2. 'Provided she doesn't get sliced in half' being the key words here...
4. Let's not forget all these techniques are from a basic book of Sith Sorcery given to Zannah. They are not unique to her.

Please tell me which was the most powerful part of it. The actual spell? Or the tendrils? Because killing Zannah would solve the issue of the latter and she's demonstrated little to nothing that would mean she'd survive an assault from even Ventress

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Conspirational shenantyganz.

LS, your time is at an end. The gestalt-sith has come 4 ur soles.

Damn the lovebirds lightsnake and beefington can never get along, how are they going to have kids like this???

Goddamn ugly kids for sure.

J/K, I love those two.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
'Powerless?' He threw off her spell. Let's look at this much more reasonably:
1. Have we ever seen anyone prepared for Zannah's sorcery attacks fall victim to them? No. Not even a weakened Bane trying to snatch her body. When Bane has since admitted he has no talent for Sith Sorcery
2. 'Provided she doesn't get sliced in half' being the key words here...
4. Let's not forget all these techniques are from a basic book of Sith Sorcery given to Zannah. They are not unique to her.

Please tell me which was the most powerful part of it. The actual spell? Or the tendrils? Because killing Zannah would solve the issue of the latter and she's demonstrated little to nothing that would mean she'd survive an assault from even Ventress [/B]

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
All of this is irrelevant considering your claim of us exaggerating her power. But i'll entertain this.
1. What is your point? There isn't one.

Little to nothing? She was more than capable of holding off Bane with a saber. The actual spell? Bane WAS powerless against it, whether you argue this or not.

Jaina, able to hold her own against Caedus would stomp her. Malak could quite probably as well. Let's not ignore the detail of her being boosted by Ambria.

Was the book not driving him the end detail of Zannah being an almost complete failure enough?

Here lightsnake, i'll do you the favor of using the text from the book that shuts you down.

During her apprenticeship, Bane had encouraged her in the studies of the magical arts. he had given her ancient texts filled with arcane rituals, urging her to expand her knowledge and push the boundaries of her talent. He had directed her training so that she could achieve her full potential. But he did not realize just how far she had come.
In addition to the tomes her Master had provided, Zannah had sought out her own sources of hidden sith knowledge over the years. Practicing in secret, she had progressed far beyond Bane's expectations, learning new spells to unleash the dark side in ways he had never imagined.

^Owned.

Come prepared next time, and try learning to be objective, it would make your arguments appear at the very least, somewhat valid.

Ah, so the reason Bane couldn't do anything was he was not only physically impaired but didn't know what she was unleashing, bolstered by the Dark Side nearby

Yeah, not really a great counter...especially when a good deal of these combatants are fully capable of killing Zannah.

Are you sincerely going to argue she'd beat Revan or Caedus?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Ah, so the reason Bane couldn't do anything was he was not only physically impaired but didn't know what she was unleashing, bolstered by the Dark Side nearby

Yeah, not really a great counter...especially when a good deal of these combatants are fully capable of killing Zannah. [/B]

When you're on the losing side, do you always quickly change tactics? I've already proven that Zannah has her own sources of which Bane doesn't know.
Bane was also, according to the author, prepared for her sith sorcery. At the same time, you can keep playing the "severely weakened" card, but Bane was rested and good to go against Zannah. Even if there was ANY proof of the contrary, Bane wouldn't fight someone unless he was ready. Nice try Lightsnake.

And finally, please stop grasping at straws. Nobody said Zannah was all powerful or that she would stand a chance against many of these combatants. She just happens to have a talent for which there is no known defense, unless one knows sith sorcery(probably Sidious and Nadd). And if she meets someone better with a saber, she's toast.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
When you're on the losing side, do you always quickly change tactics? I've already proven that Zannah has her own sources of which Bane doesn't know.
Bane was also, according to the author, prepared for her sith sorcery. At the same time, you can keep playing the "severely weakened" card, but Bane was rested and good to go against Zannah. Even if there was ANY proof of the contrary, Bane wouldn't fight someone unless he was ready. Nice try Lightsnake.

She just happens to have a talent for which there is no known defense, unless one knows sith sorcery(probably Sidious and Nadd). And if she meets someone better with a saber, she's toast.

Someone far stronger than Zannah in the force could likely throw up a defense or launch a counterattack against Zannah. I find it hard to believe Revan, whose Dark Side knowledge is greater than Zannah's, would be caught off guard by it.

You guys should get a divorce.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Bane was not at his physical prime as the book made abundantly clear, even if he'd become stronger in the dark side. Hence why he considered taking Serra's body and only decided against it because he wasn't sure if he could.

Bane was prepared for her sorcery. But you cannot be prepared for what you don't know. Bane knew a lot about Zannah's sorcery as he gave her the first tome she studied from and has seen her perform it.
Bane also didn't really have a choice. He was taking a new apprentice and had to finish things.

Bane was able to break out of her spell. The tendrils? There is a very good counter: kill her before they kill you.

Someone far stronger than Zannah in the force could likely throw up a defense or launch a counterattack against Zannah. I find it hard to believe Revan, whose Dark Side knowledge is greater than Zannah's, would be caught off guard by it. [/B]

Sorry to break it to you LS, but you don't have a leg to stand on this time around.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Continually grasping at straws shows your desperation. Your first assumption was that he was "severely weakened". Now your premise was that Bane wasn't at his physical prime. Two different things LS.
And your assertion about Serra is just...Out there. That's all I can say. No logical basis.

Thanks for proving my point. There is no defense for something you do not know or understand. We haven't seen any real defense for the type of sith sorcery that Zannah has produced. Therefore, she has the advantage of that in almost every fight. Is it [b]THE determinant? No.

Thanks, but he couldn't. He was pushing her back, but her defense was impenetrable, although waning.

This is again, retarded. Bane would be considered "far stronger" than Zannah in the force. I love how you bring in these baseless assumptions and pass them off as part of your argument. Prove there are known defenses for high level sith sorcery.

We haven't seen them and there's nothing to suggest that they exist. No offense but I don't care what you believe.

When you're on the losing end, you start asking random questions as if it was my job to answer, and illogically analyzing situations.

It's reasonable to believe Revan knew something basic about sith sorcery from his trips to Malachor V and Korriban, but it's highly unlikely that he could counter what Zannah did.

Sorry to break it to you LS, but you don't have a leg to stand on this time around. [/B]

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Bane being weakened physical and eaten away by the Dark Side is part of the point of the book.

And how about you post the bit just before Cognus murders Serra. Bane considers taking over Serra's body. He decides against it as he's not sure if he can overcome her will

We've seen no defense as it's been sued a grand total of ONCE against an opponent aiming to snatch her body

It's called a barrier. and Zannah implies strongly in Rule of Two there are defenses against Sith Sorcery as she can't use it against a ready opponent and notes that not focusing on defense in the force with training left her opponent open to her sorcery

Good, and I don't give a damn what you believe. You're the same vile little brat you've always been and I'm really debating just waiting for someone more intelligent and civil whose post doesn't consist of "Insult Insult Insult *vague point, etc."

From someone who doesn't even know what's in the book he's trying to use as proof? And oh, how horrible, I ask you to prove your assertions

Oh, do shut it. [/B]

Yea you're done. I didn't think it was possible to get dumber over time but you've definitely hit the mark. I would post an "owned" image, but I'm not allowed to embarrass a fellow jew.

Based on what? What knowledge did Zannah obtain that would surpass Revan's own? Revan, who studied under the Sith Emperor it's now concerned? Revan who learned from Malachor V, consisting of notes from Sith Lords who INVENTED Sith sorcery?
The one thing there wasn't a defense against was the black tendrils and I recall Bane being focused on performing his body switch

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Yet it wasn't your original assertion. Stop playing games and focus on one point.

Are you this laughably stupid? [B] BEFORE BANE HAS COGNUS MURDER SERRA About a page ago. It's hard to bury someone's corpse if you haven't killed them yet. Read. It's about the same page where Cognus kills her, maybe one before

And yet you suggested that Bane or someone else could "probably block it and counterattack". You're making an absurd assumption, then proving yourself wrong.

show me where

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Typical lightsnake. When he's getting his ass kicked, he proceeds to lie to himself, project his faults and insecurities on other people, and call people names. It would be funny if it wasn't damn sad. You don't know the first thing of being civil and you're too much of a tool to learn. I suggest you stop posting because every facet of your "argument" has been shot down.[/Quote]
Oh, do shut it. I've been civil while you've been your typical complete brat self, claiming everything's been shot down. Blah, blah, blah

1. You haven't asked me to prove anything. Bullshit #1

2. I destroyed your shitty argument within seconds just by opening up the book and quoting it. The fact that you're a heated little ***** doesn't change reality.

Yea you're done. I didn't think it was possible to get dumber over time but you've definitely hit the mark. I would post an "owned" image, but I'm not allowed to embarrass a fellow jew. [/B]

Not that this has anything to do with anything, but go ahead and prove that. I'll wait until the game comes out before I let the idiot creator dictate canon for me. If we were to believe even half of what he said, then KOTOR wouldn't make any damn sense to begin with.

Video interview with the game designer and writer

Originally posted by Lightsnake
I'm pretty sure I mentioned it before.

Are you this laughably stupid? BEFORE BANE HAS COGNUS MURDER SERRA About a page ago. It's hard to bury someone's corpse if you haven't killed them yet. Read. It's about the same page where Cognus kills her, maybe one before

Where did I do this? I said Zannah implies her sorcery is blockable and she does.

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Typical lightsnake. When he's getting his ass kicked, he proceeds to lie to himself, project his faults and insecurities on other people, and call people names. It would be funny if it wasn't damn sad. You don't know the first thing of being civil and you're too much of a tool to learn. I suggest you stop posting because every facet of your "argument" has been shot down.[/Quote]
Oh, do shut it. I've been civil while you've been your typical complete brat self, claiming everything's been shot down. Blah, blah, blah[/quote]
God lord, do you even bother reading your own text? Go back and see what's civil. You're so hilarously predictable. When you get proven wrong, you act like a little girl and you're too much of a dolt to prove you're wrong. Plus, you hight want to spell "quote" correctly.

By virtue of argument, I have

As usual, the typical TdTd dick waving.

Video interview with the game designer and writer [/B]

Since arguing with you is like arguing with an adolescent ape, I decided to go and check regarding Serra, since you're either too lazy or too inept. What I found has absolutely nothing to do with the argument and further proves that you're desperately using misdirection and flying all over the place in order to conceal your embarrassing attempts at an argument.

For a brief moment he considered attempting the ritual of essence transfer, then quickly dismissed the idea. The ritual would
consume his physical form and if he failed to possess her body his spirit would be trapped in the void. Her will was as strong as
her father's, and he didn't know if he was powerful enough to overcome it.

Wow LS, nothing about him being too weak to fight Zannah. I rather enjoy you making shit up. Please continue to amuse me before
you finally figure out that you've lost. Again.

Where are your divorce papers???

Bane was not at his physical prime as the book made abundantly clear, even if he'd become stronger in the dark side.

You know who wasn't in his physical prime? Sidious. You know who else? Dooku. But yeah, they sure as shit let that stand in their way. Also, Bane was only about, what? 50? 60? That's younger than both of those two.

I find it hard to believe Revan, whose Dark Side knowledge is greater than Zannah's, would be caught off guard by it.

I object to this. It's very logical to say that Zannah has most if not all of Bane's accumulated knowledge. The entire point of Bane's order is to build upon the succesive genertions, grow in secret and end up pwning the jedi. It makes no sense for Bane to keep that knowledge from Zannah, especially since its made abundently clear that hes just a little obsessed withe his concept of his order.

So I think its pretty easy to say that Zannah has most of both Revans and Nadds knowledge, as well as whatever she found herself.