Zannah runs a guantlet.

Started by Dr McBeefington6 pages
4. Let's not forget all these techniques are from a basic book of Sith Sorcery given to Zannah. They are not unique to her.

It's a book.
Of Sith Sorcery.
Found in Freedon Nadd's tomb, who learned the basics of such from Naga Sadow. Are you going to even attempt to argue even for a heartbeat that Zannah's knowledge is exclusive?

To which I respond with:
During her apprenticeship, Bane had encouraged her in the studies of the magical arts. he had given her ancient texts filled with arcane rituals, urging her to expand her knowledge and push the boundaries of her talent. He had directed her training so that she could achieve her full potential. But he did not realize just how far she had come.
In addition to the tomes her Master had provided, Zannah had sought out her own sources of hidden sith knowledge over the years. Practicing in secret, she had progressed far beyond Bane's expectations, learning new spells to unleash the dark side in ways he had never imagined.


When you break through something, that's not 'powerless.' And yes, more than capable of holding off a physically weakened Bane for a period of time.

I provided proof to shut down that assertion.

Jaina, able to hold her own against Caedus would stomp her. Malak could quite probably as well. Let's not ignore the detail of her being boosted by Ambria.

Making shit up because you don't like a character.

Bane was not at his physical prime as the book made abundantly clear, even if he'd become stronger in the dark side. Hence why he considered taking Serra's body and only decided against it because he wasn't sure if he could.

TO which I respond with the fact that the book mentions no such thing and accuse you of making shit up, to which you make more shit up in attempts to
redirect the issue.

Bane also didn't really have a choice. He was taking a new apprentice and had to finish things.

Making more shit up.

Someone far stronger than Zannah in the force could likely throw up a defense or launch a counterattack against Zannah. I find it hard to believe Revan, whose Dark Side knowledge is greater than Zannah's, would be caught off guard by it.

More bullshit assumptions

I then respond with:

Continually grasping at straws shows your desperation. Your first assumption was that he was "severely weakened". Now your premise was that Bane wasn't at his physical prime. Two different things LS.
And your assertion about Serra is just...Out there. That's all I can say. No logical basis.

You respond with:

Bane being weakened physical and eaten away by the Dark Side is part of the point of the book.

And how about you post the bit just before Cognus murders Serra. Bane considers taking over Serra's body. He decides against it as he's not sure if he can overcome her will


To which I accuse you of making more shit up with:
Bane had ordered her to bury Serra's body, not out of a sense of respect or honor, but simply to keep away scavengers and remove the corpse before it began to decay.

You proceeded to dig yourself into a hole with:

Are you this laughably stupid? BEFORE BANE HAS COGNUS MURDER SERRA About a page ago. It's hard to bury someone's corpse if you haven't killed them yet. Read. It's about the same page where Cognus kills her, maybe one before

To which I respond with
For a brief moment he considered attempting the ritual of essence transfer, then quickly dismissed the idea. The ritual would
consume his physical form and if he failed to possess her body his spirit would be trapped in the void. Her will was as strong as
her father's, and he didn't know if he was powerful enough to overcome it.

then you continue to grasp at straws with:
So it's totally unblockable to light siders all of a sudden? And 'what Zannah did? Based on?

to which I respond with:
Who said it was totally unblockable? The onus is on you to prove it is blockable with no knowledge of sith sorcery, or even basic knowledge of sith sorcery.

That pretty much sums up the Ownage on my part. I expect lightsnake to come here with a slew of insults and more of the Lightsnake denial defense mechanism.

I'm bored.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I'm bored.

*does something entertaining*

Yaaaay!

I'll help-

Capes and back rubs, united at last.

Yeah... I had exactly that in mind too.

How awesome is that!

And the man-crush continues.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
And the man-crush continues.
i-r-o-n-y

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
To which I respond with:

I provided proof to shut down that assertion.


And I admitted I was incorrect there. And?


Making shit up because you don't like a character.

Oh, for...we know Lake Natth bolsters one's Dark Side's abilities by the proximity. And again, you said Bane was powerless against Zannah's Sith Sorcery, when he distinctly overcame her first spell


TO which I respond with the fact that the book mentions no such thing and accuse you of making shit up, to which you make more shit up in attempts to
redirect the issue.

The book mentions age and the orbalisks took their toll on Bane.
You even quoted the bit where Bane considers taking over Serra.
What was made up precisely?

Making more shit up.

....it's making things up to say 'Bane had to finish things'


More bullshit assumptions

I then respond with:

You respond with:

To which I accuse you of making more shit up with:

You proceeded to dig yourself into a hole with:

To which I respond with

then you continue to grasp at straws with:

to which I respond with:

That pretty much sums up the Ownage on my part. I expect lightsnake to come here with a slew of insults and more of the Lightsnake denial defense mechanism.


I like how most of what you posted were responses to completely different points and some of those postings only confirmed my own points on the matter.

seriously, are you that dense and stubborn?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And I admitted I was incorrect there. And?

Show me where you admitted you were wrong.

Oh, for...we know Lake Natth bolsters one's Dark Side's abilities by the proximity. And again, you said Bane was powerless against Zannah's Sith Sorcery, when he distinctly overcame her first spell

I said he was powerless against her tendrils.

The book mentions age and the orbalisks took their toll on Bane.
You even quoted the bit where Bane considers taking over Serra.
What was made up precisely?

Bullshit lightsnake. The orbalisks and age are mentioned in the first 50 pages, I quoted what you said about Serra. Stop trying to backpeddle.

I like how most of what you posted were responses to completely different points and some of those postings only confirmed my own points on the matter.

I like it how you're so full of shit that you have to continue lying, knowing anybody else can look at the responses in sequential order in our threads. This is truly hilarious now, that instead of admitting to being wrong, you have to continue lying. You're owned.

seriously, are you that dense and stubborn? [/B]

I already called you dense sweetheart. Try to get new insults and not parrot everything I say. You're owned.

Beefington, you just saying bullshit over and over doesn't constitute an argument...

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Beefington, you just saying bullshit over and over doesn't constitute an argument...

Thanks, try reading the thread next time numbnuts. And if you're saying the correct bullshit over and over again which happens to be an argument, then it constitutes an argument. Come back when pass an IQ test.

Originally posted by Lightsnake

seriously, are you that dense and stubborn?

You need to suck my dick.

My manliness will tame the beast within you that compels you to argue with the darth sexy, the only one.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Thanks, try reading the thread next time numbnuts. And if you're saying the correct bullshit over and over again which happens to be an argument, then it constitutes an argument. Come back when pass an IQ test.

I have been reading it and although I agree with what you're saying, Lightsnake is doing a much better job of arguing his side. The problem for you is that you aren't saying the correct anything. All you can say is "Bullshit lightsnake" and...

"I like it how you're so full of shit that you have to continue lying, knowing anybody else can look at the responses in sequential order in our threads. This is truly hilarious now, that instead of admitting to being wrong, you have to continue lying. You're owned. "

That is in no way an argument. It's just flaming. Same with you feeling the need to tell me to come back when I pass an IQ test. Not cool, man.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I have been reading it and although I agree with what you're saying, Lightsnake is doing a much better job of arguing his side. The problem for you is that you aren't saying the correct anything. All you can say is "Bullshit lightsnake" and...

LS has no side. His argument has been trumped. I sincerely hope you've read the book. And all I'm doing is reposting his nonsense and proving the lies. Learn to follow an argument.

"I like it how you're so full of shit that you have to continue lying, knowing anybody else can look at the responses in sequential order in our threads. This is truly hilarious now, that instead of admitting to being wrong, you have to continue lying. You're owned. "

That is in no way an argument. It's just flaming. Same with you feeling the need to tell me to come back when I pass an IQ test. Not cool, man.


That in itself doesn't have to be an argument. That is what we call accusing someone of doing something that's factual.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
LS has no side. His argument has been trumped. I sincerely hope you've read the book. And all I'm doing is reposting his nonsense and proving the lies. Learn to follow an argument.

That in itself doesn't have to be an argument. That is what we call accusing something of doing something that's factual.

Yes, I have read the book. I was a little pissed in fact that they increased the spacing between the text to make it seem longer than it actually was. Did you notice it was a much faster read than most other books? There is significantly less on each page than other SW books.

It still is just ridiculous though that you seem to think arguing consists of cussing a lot and posting pictures of cats and dogs. Come on, now.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Yes, I have read the book. I was a little pissed in fact that they increased the spacing between the text to make it seem longer than it actually was. Did you notice it was a much faster read than most other books? There is significantly less on each page than other SW books.

It still is just ridiculous though that you seem to think arguing consists of cussing a lot and posting pictures of cats and dogs. Come on, now.

K here's a test for you since you claim to have followed the argument.

1. Find out who started the name calling(because I know I didn't but I finished it). And I explained why I started doing it, because the other party had no argument.
2. Show me what LS has proved, if anything.
3. Show me what I have failed to prove.

Go----->

And yes, the newer SW books get shorter and shorter, almost rushed.

No way. I'm not getting into an argument with you over whether what you and LS did and did not prove. The name calling is childish either way, and you saying you finished it isn't something you should wear as a badge of honor. That just means you fell into his game of name calling to begin with and then decided to continue with it even after he wised up.

AMENx1000.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
No way. I'm not getting into an argument with you over whether what you and LS did and did not prove. The name calling is childish either way, and you saying you finished it isn't something you should wear as a badge of honor. That just means you fell into his game of name calling to begin with and then decided to continue with it even after he wised up.

That's fine, that's who I am. The name calling sure is childish but I just follow him. If he has the courage to admit he's wrong, we can move on. If not, it'll be the same thing.

Btw, I prefer his namecalling to his lying. At least one is humor while the other one is tragic.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Show me where you admitted you were wrong.

Page three: I was incorrect when I said she got everything from the one Sith Scroll yes. What IS the overall point here?


I said he was powerless against her tendrils.

He briefly failed to attack them and then merely decided to attack her instead? How does this mean 'powerless?' He didn't throw up any defense. He kept offense


Bullshit lightsnake. The orbalisks and age are mentioned in the first 50 pages, I quoted what you said about Serra. Stop trying to backpeddle.

....

Okay, let me make myself clearer:
It's mentioned on page 10 alone that Bane's body is declining. Quote:
"After decades of focusing and channeling its power, his body was beginning to break down. His condition was exacerbated by the lingering effects of the orbalisk armor."
This was the reason he went after Andeddu's Holocron, coupled with fears of Zannah's weakness. This problem DID NOT go away as the book progressed. When he meets Serra, his body is still deteriorating. Bane does not go around body jumping into people for his health. He would not even consider it unless his body was going down the tubes.


I like it how you're so full of shit that you have to continue lying, knowing anybody else can look at the responses in sequential order in our threads. This is truly hilarious now, that instead of admitting to being wrong, you have to continue lying. You're owned.

Yes. Anyone CAN look at the sequential order of those, which is exactly why I'm confident here. Some of the things you listed as my responses were not direct quotes at all


I already called you dense sweetheart. Try to get new insults and not parrot everything I say. You're owned.

You called me 'dense sweetheart?' Okaaaaay.

I reiterate my original points:
1. Zannah was incapable of surviving a prolonged engagement against Bane. She herself says that she would've been incapable of that
2. Bane was far from powerless against her mental sith spell. Zannah in Rule of two in her duel with Sarro implies that one with defenses in the force is capable of defending themselves. Bane himself says the defense is force of will. And the conquering of one's fears is shown to be a factor.
3. The dark side tendrils are not anywhere near an insta win. They leave Zannah severely weakened to maintain them and vulnerable to an outright attack.
4. There is no evidence the tentacles are unblockable in the slightest. Bane's defenses against them consisted of slashing and blasting at them, with no defense. As they are physical manifestations of the Dark Side, throwing up a shield which would be the manifestation of the light would go to power to power.