Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2

Started by Nemesis X21 pages

I can only hope that Force Unleashed really isn't canon and that them saying it is is just a long-running April Fool's Joke that ceases to end. If not, it's a shame George Lucas didn't take a look at this before it was released or maybe he did but he just didn't give a crap for he knew he'd get some money at least. I'm gonna take a shot in the dark here and say it's the latter. Greedy people suck.

The staff at Lucasrts have got to be so stupid, they can't find lava on Mustafar.

Well Geroge Lucas doesn't consider anything canon except his movies and the TV show... So he really doesn't care.

Originally posted by ares834
Well Geroge Lucas doesn't consider anything canon except his movies and the TV show... So he really doesn't care.

Didn't Lucas confirm the death of Chewbacca which happened in a novel set in a year after the events of Episode 6?

Nope. He "ok'd" Chewbacca's death for Vector Prime. But thats it.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
Didn't Lucas confirm the death of Chewbacca which happened in a novel set in a year after the events of Episode 6?

As far as Lucas is concerned, EU authors get to play in his world, but he cares **** all what they do with it, and he can canonize ideas he likes (like Coruscant) or retcon ideas he doesn't (like Boba Fett's Mandalorian origins) at his whim. It's his galaxy, after all.

Loved this game.

Too short.

That's my only annoyance with this game.

Other than that, so much fun.

Just sayin'.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
As far as Lucas is concerned, EU authors get to play in his world, but he cares **** all what they do with it, and he can canonize ideas he likes (like Coruscant) or retcon ideas he doesn't (like Boba Fett's Mandalorian origins) at his whim. It's his galaxy, after all.

Exactly, people can say they don't consider things canon and people can speculate that just because Lucas "okay-ed" something it doesn't count as canon. But unless Lucas has officially de-canonised - like The Holiday Special *shudders* - something it's official.

Originally posted by General G
Loved this game.

Too short.

That's my only annoyance with this game.

Other than that, so much fun.

Just sayin'.


Agreed, though I couldn't help but notice the flaws in it, I still loved the game.

Originally posted by CadoAngelus
Exactly, people can say they don't consider things canon and people can speculate that just because Lucas "okay-ed" something it doesn't count as canon. But unless Lucas has officially de-canonised - like The Holiday Special *shudders* - something it's official.

Agreed, though I couldn't help but notice the flaws in it, I still loved the game.


Nonono, you're confusing ignorance with acceptance. Anything not movie and not right out of Lucas' mouth is a different, lower level of canon. In Lucas' mind, only the movies and his own thoughts exist, as he's said multiple times. He's said before that EU authors ask him if they can do this or that, and most of the time he doesn't really care, because it's not his Star Wars. Uncommon exceptions are like when he naysayed a vibrosword in The Clone Wars, because according to him no non-lightsaber should be able to stop a lightsaber. Which smacks KotOR hard in the face, amusingly.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
Nonono, you're confusing ignorance with acceptance. Anything not movie and not right out of Lucas' mouth is a different, lower level of canon. In Lucas' mind, only the movies and his own thoughts exist, as he's said multiple times. He's said before that EU authors ask him if they can do this or that, and most of the time he doesn't really care, because it's not his Star Wars. Uncommon exceptions are like when he naysayed a vibrosword in The Clone Wars, because according to him no non-lightsaber should be able to stop a lightsaber. Which smacks KotOR hard in the face, amusingly.

So even though Lucas sat down in front of the board that were tasked with creating TFU1 and he said it was good it doesn't count as the ULTIMATE SW CANON? Okay, that makes more sense.

Where did/didn't a vibrosword come into TCW?

Originally posted by CadoAngelus
So even though Lucas sat down in front of the board that were tasked with creating TFU1 and he said it was good it doesn't count as the ULTIMATE SW CANON? Okay, that makes more sense.

Where did/didn't a vibrosword come into TCW?


No, Lucas is never so involved with the games as that. He okayed the initial concept of a Force-powered "superhero," and said it was fine for Vader to have a secret apprentice. He had nothing whatsoever to do with the story.

And the vibrosword incident happened when the Mandalorians were introduced in the second season. Their leader was originally going to have a vibrosword, but Lucas said no, so it was changed to the "darksaber". It should also be noted that Lucas has been more involved with the TCW series than he has been with any of the SW games.

Originally posted by CadoAngelus
So even though Lucas sat down in front of the board that were tasked with creating TFU1 and he said it was good it doesn't count as the ULTIMATE SW CANON? Okay, that makes more sense.

Where did/didn't a vibrosword come into TCW?


Here is a good link on what Lucas considers canon. Here we see him set up the three pillars and what not. What is intresting is this statment. "The Emperor doesn't get cloned." This is intresting as Lucas helped in the creation of Dark Empire, in fact he loved the comic and handed it out as a gift to his employees, yet he says it is non-canon here. His involvement in TFU was roughly the same as his involvment in DE. He simply nixed a couple of ideas, okayed some, and said put the Emperor in it.

What is even more intresting is that in this article Lucas says the TV Show is on his pillar, meaning he considers it to be canon.

Yes, it has always been the case that GL has been happy to give advice to EU writers and sometimes veto things, but he specifies that this does not actually make the EU any more canon to his view of Star Wars. In fact, he specifies the opposite.

And of course, his view of Star Wars is rather important.

The TFU developers tried to make out that because GL gave some bare basic advice on stuff that it made the game a canon storyline. Good lord no, and they are going to feel pretty unhappy when- inevitably- GL overwrites it in future, as has happened plenty of times before with the EU.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Yes, it has always been the case that GL has been happy to give advice to EU writers and sometimes veto things, but he specifies that this does not actually make the EU any more canon to his view of Star Wars. In fact, he specifies the opposite.

And of course, his view of Star Wars is rather important.

The TFU developers tried to make out that because GL gave some bare basic advice on stuff that it made the game a canon storyline. Good lord no, and they are going to feel pretty unhappy when- inevitably- GL overwrites it in future, as has happened plenty of times before with the EU.

I don't know if they'll feel unhappy as long as they got some money out of it...

It makes sense though to not count anything as GL's canon that's not made by him or specifically stated by him to be part of it.

Well their egos about having created official Star Wars storyline will be pricked then. They were talking as if TFU was the official extension of the films.

As GK mentioned, they gave up in even showing respect to the source material, and thus the claim seems entirely ludicrous.

I find the canon discussions from SW fans amusing. What other movie franchise considers its video games canon? None that I can recall offhand. Was the canonicity of Arkham Asylum debated? Hell, any comic book movie? Lord of the Rings? {insert dozens of franchises}? I'm not ragging on you guys, just the force (pun intended) it has become in the fandom, and how controversial it seems to be for no good reason.

I think it probably just comes from the more paranoid sects of the fandom who can't separate and self-contain the different aspects of a universe, and become irked if they don't synch properly. I only get ripped of out my suspension of disbelief if a story isn't consistent with itself, so I have pretty much no problems with inconsistencies between different mediums. So I guess I can understand it on an intellectual level, I just can't fathom the level to which some people go to either reconcile or damn the inconsistencies.

It's purely here because the developers specifically said it was canon.

I'm just used to fans/fanboys deciding for themselves on what is canon and what's not 😛, sadly.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
Uncommon exceptions are like when he naysayed a vibrosword in The Clone Wars, because according to him no non-lightsaber should be able to stop a lightsaber. Which smacks KotOR hard in the face, amusingly.

electrostaffs?

Originally posted by Digi
What other movie franchise considers its video games canon? None that I can recall offhand.

LOTR: War in the North is I believe. I think Ghostbusters is too. And maybe The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay.

Originally posted by Dark Exile
electrostaffs?

Lightsaber-like energy. It's specifically the energy field that stops it, like the force fields in the other movies. Was speaking more on physical objects. The writers originally wanted them to be cortosis staffs if I remember correctly, but Lucas made them change that, too.