Emperor Palpatine vs. Harry Potter

Originally posted by dadudemon

Oh really?

Name them. 🙂 (I have about 2 in mind, and they don't do anything for Potter.)

Harry will make Palpy do this, watch at 1:05

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That's a problem for Harry, though. Moving is difficult if he's being force choked. Avoiding one of the best lightsaber duelist to have ever existed in all of Star Wars history, and avoiding THE most powerful dark side force wielder are certainly crappy obstacles that a teenage boy will have difficulty with.

He wont have to avoid Palpy, he will simply block everything Palpy throws at him then counter with a binding spell or whatever he chooses to cast.

Obstacles here will only help Harry, he has shown many times how he evades attack by using the environment, trees, walls and stuff.

Wait, so you think Harry Potter has enough time to get off ANY incantations?

So, Harry is going to have time to pull out the vile, drink it, and use his super luck to someone defeat Palps?

You do know how absurd that is, right? Harry doesn't have time to do anything except get stabbed, force choked, force pushed so hard his body splatters on the wall behind him, or possibly fall prey to a mind trick.

On top of this, you do know that the Felix Felicis portion works similar to how force powers do...namely mind tricks, and getting lucky against say, a surprise attack. Cept, the force users aren't getting lucky, they are fully anticipating what is happening and simply avoiding and not getting lucky.

You do know that the the potion also has limitations, right? The limitations were mentioned and hinted at in the book. For example, you would not be able to use the luck to ask Dumbledore to kill himself, you couldn't attempt to raise someone from the dead and get lucky enough to succeed, you couldn't fall off of a cliff and survive. But, what it DOES do is increase the dice roll on probabilities such as, walking through a busy street and just happening to walk at the time when your path would avoid every car (maybe), ask a person a question that that person may sometimes answer or not answer (depending) and succeed in getting an answer out of that person (similar to a mind trick, but not quite as a mind trick would be more absolute against most people), etc.

That just entertains the incorrect idea that the luck potion will even be able to be drunk by Harry Potter without ending up in pieces. That simply wouldn't happen. Why would the emperor just stand there and watch Harry Potter go to town casting charms, drinking luck potions, etc?

Palpy is never shown using force choke. Even if he was, Harry shield charms it. Same with force push or anything else Palpy throws at Harry.

See, I am gonna do what you guys are doing, repeat the same thing over and over and over and over and over.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
assumptions, pure speculation. he is never shown to be unable to move with force speed, thats all that matters. therefore he can.

absence of proof isnt proof of absence.

He didn't move with force speed in the PT, therefore he can't here.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Force Speed is a common power among Jedi and Sith. It's shown in the EU, and more importantly for this debate, in the cartoon.

WTF? You can't shield charm against a Force choke. It's telekinesis.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK, it's ROTJ Palpy. Why? Impediment said "in the throne room."

1. In ANH, we are never shown a throne room. See number three.

2. In ESB, there is no Death Star.

3. In ROTJ, there is a throne room SHOWN onscreen. It is differently designed than the first Death Star, larger and more powerful.

Get it? So no matter how you cut it, we are talking about ROTJ Palpy.

And no, Palpy is never shown doing anything more than throwing force lightning in ROTJ, he had a walking stick FFS, did he have that in ROTS? Nope. Why did he have a walking stick? Because he was old, crusty and slow.

Funny how now you accept force speed, when I can recall several instances where you questioned it. Convenient. Question......Where was this force speed in ROTJ?

No ROTJ was ever mentioned. PERIOD. We are discussing Palpatine. I feel that "a version of which" is unnecessary.

Moving on.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, check the MVF rules. Gotta happen onscreen, sister.

He didn't move with force speed in the PT, therefore he can't here.

jesus youre stubborn. every single person in this thread is telling you that youre completely wrong. you dont see that as a kind of clue?

Originally posted by Impediment
No ROTJ was ever mentioned. PERIOD. We are discussing Palpatine. I feel that "a version of which" is unnecessary.

Moving on.

Lemme guess, no cloak allowed for Harry? And I am betting you'll think of a way for Palpy to know where Harry is at all times, despite not being able to see him. 🙄

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
jesus youre stubborn. every single person in this thread is telling you that youre completely wrong. you dont see that as a kind of clue?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Did he move with force speed in the PT?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Did he move with force speed in the PT?

facepalm

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
facepalm

I meant OT, not PT. ANH, ESB, and ROTJ. No force speed was shown by Palpy in these movies.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Fine. The fight starts, Harry ducks behind some of the obstacles, debris and cover in the throne room, accios his cloak, becomes invisible. We ever see Palpy fighting someone he can't see? Nope. Harry Petrificus totalus's his ass.

Lemme guess, no cloak allowed for Harry? And I am betting you'll think of a way for Palpy to know where Harry is at all times, despite not being able to see him. 🙄

See, there's your flaw(yet again), as much as you want to gimp Palpatine and boost Potter with cloaks, vials, brooms and butt-plugs(none of which he has here), old, slow and crusty Palpatine is still able to instantly release force-lightning in ROTJ, this is shown. He doesn't need to mouth a spell and flick some wand about, he wants lightning; it springs forth instantly.

So again, you have nothing except avoiding the fact that Palpatine can kill or incapacitate Potter via lightning, before Potter can do a thing of value. That and giving Potter everything under the kitchen sink, which I'm fine with, as he'll be fried before he can cover himself with a cloak, drink a potion or do some amazing feat of dodge/diving into rubble, as you imagine.

Which Potter is this? As how you're gimping Palpatine, Potter didn't use every spell in each film, so he'd only have movie-specific spells. See this is why your debating is so f'ing silly, so one-sided and biased.

sidious can use force sense

Originally posted by Samurai100
sidious can use force sense

No, no, no, RJ insist on gimping Palpatine to only, and I mean only using force-lightning, every power he had shown or was implied before ROTJ doesn't count, while Potter gets any ability and item he's ever shown and hasn't shown in all the movies.

Yet still, Palpatine fries him before he can blink, okay, he could probably blink once before the electrocution.

Originally posted by Robtard
See, there's your flaw(yet again), as much as you want to gimp Palpatine and boost Potter with cloaks, vials, brooms and butt-plugs(none of which he has here), old, slow and crusty Palpatine is still able to instantly release force-lightning in ROTJ, this is shown. He doesn't need to mouth a spell and flick some wand about, he wants lightning; it springs forth instantly.

So again, you have nothing except avoiding the fact that Palpatine can kill or incapacitate Potter vis lightning, before Potter can do a thing of value. That and giving Potter everything under the kitchen sink.

If they have some knowledge of each other, Harry will be quite aware Palpy will use force lightning when Harry tells him to **** off. You think he is gonna stand there and wait for Palpy to use it? Harry's not an idiot, dude. Likely he will run for cover before the battle even starts.

Run for cover, cast a shield charm, deflect the force lightning, then counter with the spell of his choice.

Here:

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It takes a full second for Sidious's force lightning to reach Yoda, that's more than enough time for Harry to cast a shield charm and deflect it, or even block it with his wand.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, no, no, RJ insist on gimping Palpatine to only, and I mean only using force-lightning, every power he had shown or was implied before ROTJ doesn't count, while Potter gets any ability and item he's ever shown and hasn't shown in all the movies.

Yet still, Palpatine fries him before he can blink, okay, he could probably blink once before the electrocution.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If they have some knowledge of each other, Harry will be quite aware Palpy will use force lightning when Harry tells him to **** off. You think he is gonna stand there and wait for Palpy to use it? Harry's not an idiot, dude. Likely he will run for cover before the battle even starts.

Run for cover, cast a shield charm, deflect the force lightning, then counter with the spell of his choice.

Here:

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It takes a full second for Sidious's force lightning to reach Yoda, that's more than enough time for Harry to cast a shield charm and deflect it, or even block it with his wand.

He turns his back now? LoL, he'd be dead before he took his second step. Next.

No, Potter can't cast that fast. Next.

Also, I asked above, which version of Potter is this? If Palpatine can only use film specific powers, then the same applies for Potter.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hey Rob, you think Harry is gonna stand there and go toe to toe with Palpy, knowing what Palpy can do?

He has no choice. Lightning springs forth instantly, Potter isn't casting a spell to counter in time or running out of the way. Next.

Originally posted by Robtard
He turns his back now? LoL, he'd be dead before he took his second step. Next.

No, Potter can't cast that fast. Next.

Also, I asked above, which version of Potter is this? If Palpatine can only use film specific powers, then the same applies for Potter.

I ask again, you think Harry is idiot enough to go toe to toe here?

Originally posted by Robtard
He has no choice. Lightning springs forth instantly, Potter isn't casting a spell to counter in time or running out of the way. Next.

Your turn.