Who in Marvel can defeat Shuma-Gorath in its realm?

I don't know 😬

Just by approaching or getting near universes they were collapses. He wasn't apparently exerting conscious effort or energy to do it...

That' is how omg powerful he was...

The walls that seperate the universe were blurring, not collapsing.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

The walls that seperate the universe were blurring, not collapsing.

It is well known, On Panel and in the Handbooks,
that Abraxas collapsed all the Universes he approached.

Universes weren't displayed being torn, ony 616,
but the writer artistically depicted other Universes that fell due to Abraxas,
and Abraxas' FF bio, clearly states that he destroyed entire Realities,
not to mention that his prime Handbook bio stamps his occupation: Dimensional destroyer.

So ... those are the facts good firend.

Galactus, Abraxas and maybe a pissed off M.O.D.O.K

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
What exactly is stopping MJJ from just warping this shit out of Shumas realm?

What's to stop Shuma from warping its own realm into nothingness thus preventing MJJ from having anything to warp?

How would he know MJJ weakness?

Not sure he could even do what you're suggesting anyway.

Originally posted by CortSether
What's to stop Shuma from warping its own realm into nothingness thus preventing MJJ from having anything to warp?

go ahead.

then shumas realm would cease to exist, and shuma would be quite the slim pickings, wouldnt he, since he lost the one thing that was making him omnipotent.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
What exactly is stopping MJJ from just warping this shit out of Shumas realm?

and even if Shuma destroy his own realm (IMO he dont need to) MJJ gonna revert to plain human so Shuma wont need his powers to kill him (just squeez the crap outa him with his tenticles lol)

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
his own limits ^^
whats exactly is stopping Shuma from just warping the shit outa mjj?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, when those walls "blur" ... the Universes on both sides fold into each other,
thus collapsing both.

It is well known, On Panel and in the Handbooks,
that Abraxas collapsed all the Universes he approached.

Universes weren't displayed being torn, ony 616,
but the writer artistically depicted other Universes that fell due to Abraxas,
and Abraxas' FF bio, clearly states that he destroyed entire Realities,
not to mention that his prime Handbook bio stamps his [b]occupation: Dimensional destroyer.

So ... those are the facts good firend. [/B]

Read that handbook entry again, it says nothing of collapsing universes. It says this and I quote "While Abraxas drew nearer, the walls of dimensional space began to blur, rendering Uatu the Watcher comatose and causing a group of other-dimensional superhumans called the Law Enforcement Squad to enter Earth-616 and battle the Fantastic Four."

That's all it did; allow characters from one universe to pass into another. The universe still exsisted. The barriers that seperate one universe from another began to fade, that's it.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
his own limits ^^
whats exactly is stopping Shuma from just warping the shit outa mjj?

MJJ being more powerful?

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
go ahead.

then shumas realm would cease to exist, and shuma would be quite the slim pickings, wouldnt he, since he lost the one thing that was making him omnipotent.

Nah, he'll just lose some of his power while MJJ will be helpless. And I say that because Shuma Gorath would still have a size advantage over MJJ and enchantments. SG can always call on powers from other mystical entities to crush MJJ.

And yes, I believe SG can beat MJJ by attacking his mind like he did Ancient One and Nightmare's. He likely can determine MJJ's powers by invading MJJ's mind.

MJJ was unaware of his weakness, how will SG find out his weakness?

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Nah, he'll just lose some of his power while MJJ will be helpless. And I say that because Shuma Gorath would still have a size advantage over MJJ and enchantments. SG can always call on powers from other mystical entities to crush MJJ.

And yes, I believe SG can beat MJJ by attacking his mind like he did Ancient One and Nightmare's. He likely can determine MJJ's powers by invading MJJ's mind.

Come on man, that's just silly. It took the destruction of a universe to stop a weaker MJJ's warp. How the hell is Shuma going to stop 616 Jaspers warp, and according to Merlyn; that same tactic won't work on this version.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing

Nah, he'll just lose some of his power while MJJ will be helpless. And I say that because Shuma Gorath would still have a size advantage over MJJ and enchantments. SG can always call on powers from other mystical entities to crush MJJ.

And yes, I believe SG can beat MJJ by attacking his mind like he did Ancient One and Nightmare's. He likely can determine MJJ's powers by invading MJJ's mind.

Originally posted by Mindset

MJJ was unaware of his weakness, how will SG find out his weakness?

The Fury was a special case, since it was the only existence basically immune to JJ's warp.

(The Fury was Moore's plot device to stop the unstoppable)

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

Come on man, that's just silly. It took the destruction of a universe to stop a weaker MJJ's warp. How the hell is Shuma going to stop 616 Jaspers warp, and according to Merlyn; that same tactic won't work on this version.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
doubtful. Abraxas' role is Dimensional Destroyer. For all his power shuma is just in another dimension. Eternity was terrified of Abraxas. Agamotto didn't want anything to do with Shuma, but Lord Chaos and Master Order are the supreme beings in Agamotto's realm. Chaos and Order and below Eternity in power.

Dr. Strange beat Shuma Gorath. The Ultimate Nullifier defeated Abraxas. MJJ was defeated by being taken to a non-reality. Shuma's realm is a reality. You're really going to say that Abraxas and MJJ can't do what Strange did?

you shouldn't compare Dr. Strange with Abraxas, or any other abstract/abstract level character.