Originally posted by rotiart
Beyonder was his own realm and got owned by kubik
eternity got WTF by magus cc and the ig and he is a universe...
The unilord got defeated (due to soul stealing... But still) it wa his realm
spawn beat malebogia...So... Being or having your own realm isn't all special
ego is a planet and so is mogo and people beat them whole on terrain they should 100% control
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Read that handbook entry again, it says nothing of collapsing universes. It says this and I quote [B]"While Abraxas drew nearer, the walls of dimensional space began to blur, rendering Uatu the Watcher comatose and causing a group of other-dimensional superhumans called the Law Enforcement Squad to enter Earth-616 and battle the Fantastic Four."
"He can restructure matter and convert physical matter into pure energy ...
he has destroyed entire PLANES of Reality"
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Here are Nine Universes that would later be destroyed by Abraxas:
"Imagine each of those Worlds like sand in an hourglass ...
an hourglass which Abraxas will shatter"
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Originally posted by Knowsbleed33That's all it did; allow characters from one universe to pass into another. The universe still exsisted. The barriers that seperate one universe from another began to fade, that's it.
So you believe that's why Roma said "All of Time would be lost to us"
because of Abraxas?
So you believe Universes can exist after folding into other Universes?
So you believe it was no big deal when Nova said the Multiverse is collapsing?
**well I don't, to none of the above***
Why, cause on panel, and Handbooks (across Marvel's history) say otherwise.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Just so we're clear, you do realize that none that actually says that his approaching a universe caused it to collapse right?
So, how else does Abraxas collapse UniverseS?
I mean, Abraxas is a Concept, that is, of Destruction
his very existence is what allows things to be destroyed in Reality,
his presence is what affects Reality.
Abraxas doesn't have to act against Reality in order to carry out his Conceptual purpose,
just like Eternity doesn't have move a finger to keep Time moving,
just like Infinity doesn't have to do anything in order for there to be "Space"
yes, their very existence sustains Time & Space,
in the same fashion,
Abraxas' existence sustains the concept of Destruction,
while his presence in Reality actually collapses Reality,
because his presence is a living imbalance to Reality.
We shouldn't be surprised ... it's his Job:
Occupation: "Dimensional Destroyer"
***And how does Abraxas carry out his job?
By blurring the walls of Dimensional space!
Which = to Reality folding upon itself:
Which = to Reality (the Multiverse in fact) collapsing!
Originally posted by Mr Master
Really?So, how else does Abraxas collapse UniverseS?
I mean, Abraxas is a Concept, that is, of Destruction
his very existence is what allows things to be destroyed in Reality,
his presence is what affects Reality.Abraxas doesn't have to act against Reality in order to carry out his Conceptual purpose,
just like Eternity doesn't have move a finger to keep Time moving,
just like Infinity doesn't have to do anything in order for there to be "Space"
yes, their very existence sustains Time & Space,
in the same fashion,
Abraxas' existence sustains the concept of Destruction,
while his presence in Reality actually collapses Reality,
because his presence is a living imbalance to Reality.We shouldn't be surprised ... it's [B]his Job
:Occupation: "Dimensional Destroyer"
***And how does Abraxas carry out his job?
By blurring the walls of Dimensional space!
Which = to Reality folding upon itself:
Which = to Reality (the Multiverse in fact) collapsing! [/B]
So you believe his presence is what destroys these universes despite the fact that it never actually happens on panel?
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33So you believe his presence is what destroys these universes despite the fact that it never actually happens on panel?
Abraxas "destroyed entire Realities"
and the ONLY fashion he used to commit this act was by entering Realities.
(unless you saw otherwise)
But that aside ...
It is well known, when Realities fold, ... they collapse. 🙂
This is how Necrom was trying to collapse the Multiverse,
this is how Sym/Madelyn Prior tried to collapse the Multiverse,
this is how Immortus tried to collapse the Multiverse,
this is how Doom's baby Cube nearly collapsed the Omniverse,
and on and on.
This is why Abraxas was targeting 616,
because he was collapsing alternate realities,
but as you know, collapse 616, and you take out all other Universes.
(I guess he wanted to get the job done quickly)
Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
go ahead.then shumas realm would cease to exist, and shuma would be quite the slim pickings, wouldnt he, since he lost the one thing that was making him omnipotent.
Shuma-Gorath is nothing but its own power. Its realm doesn't make it omnipotent, Shuma itself is omnipotent within the universes it conquers. Its power cannot cease to exist, already this was shown in the arc with Doc Strange. If its body is destroyed the one that destroyed it would be consumed by the power of Shuma-Gorath and turn into a new Shuma.
Originally posted by Mindset
How would he know MJJ weakness?Not sure he could even do what you're suggesting anyway.
Shuma's intelligence approaches omniscience and it is immensely more intelligent than MJJ, it would surely be able to find it out. Shuma knew of the earth philosopher Nietzsche from dimensions away, somehow. I don't see how he wouldn't know how to use MJJ's weaknesses and destroy them. Shuma is a dimension destroyer and rules hundreds of them.
Originally posted by CortSetherSo basically you have no real reason Shuma would find out his weakness other than you saying he would.
Shuma's intelligence approaches omniscience and it is immensely more intelligent than MJJ, it would surely be able to find it out. Shuma knew of the earth philosopher Nietzsche from dimensions away, somehow. I don't see how he wouldn't know how to use MJJ's weaknesses and destroy them. Shuma is a dimension destroyer and rules hundreds of them.
Gotcha.
Originally posted by CortSethermeh chances are he wont need to know his weaknes anyway
Shuma's intelligence approaches omniscience and it is immensely more intelligent than MJJ, it would surely be able to find it out. Shuma knew of the earth philosopher Nietzsche from dimensions away, somehow. I don't see how he wouldn't know how to use MJJ's weaknesses and destroy them. Shuma is a dimension destroyer and rules hundreds of them.
btw does "defeat" mean "destroy permenently"? OP dint specify
