Wow....
Originally posted by -Pr-
i've always believed that in terms of pure strength, Superman > Thor. By a huge amount? No, but a definitive one. Maybe its just me.
And I can never understand why some people come to this conclusion? It just seems baseless.
Thor has the feats to match all of Superman's high end feats and just like Superman he has shown when needed he can take things up a notch. Heck, even if you bring up the ridiculous notion that Superman's strength is depended on his will, I can easily make such an argument as well as Thor. Especially based on shit like the Crusader, and Scarlet Scarab fight.
I just cannot see how anyone can come to the conclusion that either is in someway superior to the other in any definitive way.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Wow....And I can never understand why some people come to this conclusion? It just seems baseless.
Thor has the feats to match all of Superman's high end feats and just like Superman he has shown when needed he can take things up a notch. Heck, even if you bring up the ridiculous notion that Superman's strength is depended on his will, I can easily make such an argument as well as Thor. Especially based on shit like the Crusader, and Scarlet Scarab fight.
I just cannot see how anyone can come to the conclusion that either is in someway superior to the other in any definitive way.
why is it baseless?
i'm talking about normal thor sans mjolnir, btw.
you think i just picked the opinion out of thin air?
Originally posted by -Pr-
why is it baseless?i'm talking about normal thor sans mjolnir, btw.
you think i just picked the opinion out of thin air?
Because Thor has feats to match every single one of Superman's. It is rather baseless to come to the conclusion that Superman is any way definitively stronger than Thor. Both have low showings. Both have high unquantifiable showings. Both are considering the cream of the crop physically in respective Universes.
Classic Thor's greatest feats are without Mjolnir. Even with Mjolnir he hits practically as hard as he does without.
Might as well.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Because Thor has feats to match every single one of Superman's. It is rather baseless to come to the conclusion that Superman is any way definitively stronger than Thor. Both have low showings. Both have high unquantifiable showings. Both are considering the cream of the crop physically in respective Universes.Classic Thor's greatest feats are without Mjolnir. Even with Mjolnir he hits practically as hard as he does without.
Might as well.
ok, we disagree hugely, then.
also, thor is the cream of the crop physically in marvel? and not that big green guy who smashes shit?
Originally posted by D-Block
Mjolnir does not give Thor any Strength though.
it's a magic hammer. regardless of how strong thor is, hitting someone with a weapon is always going to be a harder hit than hitting somene without it.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Power, and striking power, yes!
It's versatility more than power that it adds. Heck his strongest attack comes from his own internal energies. Like Thor said, Mjolnir is powerful but at the end of the day it's a tool.
Without it, he can still fly, generate and manipulate energy, manipulate matter, heal people, create force fields, control the weather etc.
Not if his using it as a blunt force object it doesn't.
Originally posted by -Pr-
ok, we disagree hugely, then.also, thor is the cream of the crop physically in marvel? and not that big green guy who smashes shit?
it's a magic hammer. regardless of how strong thor is, hitting someone with a weapon is always going to be a harder hit than hitting somene without it.
Oh ok I thought you ment in terms of lifting.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's versatility more than power that it adds. Heck his strongest attack comes from his own internal energies. Like Thor said, Mjolnir is powerful but at the end of the day it's a tool.Without it, he can still fly, generate and manipulate energy, manipulate matter, heal people, create force fields, control the weather etc.
Not if his using it as a blunt force object it doesn't.
The most recent issue shows it. This is what I am going with. If you want to dismiss it because you like the feat he did while fighting Storm, or some other feat he did 20 years ago, then fine, but you only prove my case
Originally posted by -Pr-
ok, we disagree hugely, then.also, thor is the cream of the crop physically in marvel? and not that big green guy who smashes shit?
I really don't see why as both have feats to match. I might as well take the stance that Thor is stronger if we're gonna ignore this stuff.
Well, besides the Hulk. Thor is right up there with him. Hence why they always stalemate and Thor can go toe to toe with him.
Originally posted by -Pr-
it's a magic hammer. regardless of how strong thor is, hitting someone with a weapon is always going to be a harder hit than hitting somene without it.
Thor's been shown that even without it, his just as formidable. I really don't understand why some people (Not you.) assume Thor isn't as formidable or is somehow weak without Mjolnir. I mean Thor has literally encountered beings in comics that have the exact notion and believe without his hammer Thor is weak. Thor drops his hammer and shows these beings that this is not the case. Thor hitting harder with Mjolnir is probably more of an exception than anything rather than the rule.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Mostly right, but Thor cannot fly without itThe most recent issue shows it. This is what I am going with. If you want to dismiss it because you like the feat he did while fighting Storm, or some other feat he did 20 years ago, then fine, but you only prove my case
What? Where does it say that Thor cannot fly without Mjolnir?
Are you still stuck on that phrase stated in Thor #601? All he said was that he prays Mjolnir has it in her to fly one more time. How you come to the conclusion that he cannot fly without it according to that statement is mind boggling.
Especially since in preview of the Thor issue coming out this Wednesday, he is shown to fly with Mjolnir held at his side.