Superman vs Hercules with a twist

Originally posted by darthgoober
Dude do you remember your first post on the topic...

Again, it's reasonable to assume that two top tiers like Supes and Herc are on par with each other strength wise, but to actually claim that one is stronger is the kind of thing that requires proof. That's why I said that the onus is on you to prove that Supes is stronger rather than it being on Carver to prove that Herc's as strong. After all Carver can't prove that Herc's as strong unless there's something from Supes on the table to compare it to. Now if you had posted a feat of Supes's to establish why you think Supes's strength is superior then it would be on Carver to post one from Herc to match it.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
The reason he said 60's and 70's feats are not valid in this particular match up is because Hercules isn't as strong as he used to.

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What are you basing this on besides you're own opinion? How is Hercules in anyway inferior currently then at his older levels?

Since when are feats not valid, because they happened in the 60's or 70's?

So according to your warped logic I can't use Thor feats from the 60's? Lulz.

Marvel doesn't have a continuity which is as ****ed up as DC's if you can even call that continuity. The only way that this argument even applies is if characters are noticeably weaker such as Odin or Green Lanterns.

If that isn't the case then anything goes unless it's been retconned etc.

Originally posted by Juntai
60's and 70's feats aren't valid because they simply aren't current and accurate depictions of the characters, which is what the rules suggest we use in threads.

Why on Earth would they not be valid unless a character has noticeably gotten weaker which Hercules hasn't gotten?

His greatest lifting feat was retold recently.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
To claim that Hercules is as strong as Superman, you'd still need to post proof even if they are top tier

The rock Herc and Atlas were standing on might be as strong as Supes.

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Originally posted by darthgoober
He's stalemated Thor in strength, and Thor's top tier in strength. He also supported the burden of Atlas. And again, Supes doesn't get a walk in the strength department. If you're claiming that Supes is stronger then it's your job to prove it, it's not the job of others to prove you wrong.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
It's your job to prove he is just as strong since someone had to claim they are equal

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Hercules/Thorvs.jpg

Originally posted by darthgoober
I gave feats, him supporting the burden of Atas and stalemating Thor. Now prove Supes is stronger.

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Originally posted by xJLxKing
I know, I just wanted to get through to you

http://img525.imageshack.us/i/megadon1en9.jpg/
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Doesn't really prove that Hercules is weaker. Especially if you consider Hercules an equal of Thor and what Thor has done. And what Thor has done tops that. World Engine comes to mind. But that's A, B, C logic so yea...

Personally I think that Thor always seem to be able to kick up a notch when the situation needs it.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8149/mtuv1028p18194rn.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Doesn't really prove that Hercules is weaker. Especially if you consider Hercules an equal of Thor and what Thor has done. And what Thor has done tops that. World Engine comes to mind. But that's A, B, C logic so yea...

Personally I think that Thor always seem to be able to kick up a notch when the situation needs it.

Superman has beaten so many characters and if you use the a>b>C logic to gain feats, it becomes stupid.

As for the Thor vs Hercules Feats. I never did view them as Equal. I feel as if Thor can be stronger

*waits for someone to post Superman stalemating Captain Marvel who was stacking Hercules and Atlas.*

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SupermanandCMarmwrestling.jpg

DC Hercules =/= Marvel Hercules

I really don't see how that proves anything. Especially since the revelation in Trials of Shazam, stating that there are multiple gods named Zeus and Hercules, with each having different occupations.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Personally, I dismiss anyone who goes for the a>b>C logic. DO you know what?
Here it comes
Superman>Ultraman
Ultraman picked up the infinite book
So Superman can do it

Superman has beaten so many characters and if you use the a>b>C logic to gain feats, it becomes stupid.

As for the Thor vs Hercules Feats. I never did view them as Equal. I feel as if Thor can be stronger

Cool.

I thought Superman = Ultraman. They always seemed that way except for Superman being more effective and skilled.

I thought that feat was more than just physical.

Just saying. One of Hercules' biggest claims to fame is the fact that he has stalemated Thor.

Thor has been portrayed as stronger a lot outside of their fights. Even back in the earlier days, I believe Thor #231, Thor goes toe to toe with Armak, a being who shrugged of a punch to the face from Hercules and one shotted him (Hercules was down for like 3 entire pages. He was still down even when Thor flew to fight Armak after convincing.).

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I know, I just wanted to get through to you

http://img525.imageshack.us/i/megadon1en9.jpg/
http://img442.imageshack.us/i/megadon2zv0.jpg/

Originally posted by Spire
*waits for someone to post Superman stalemating Captain Marvel who was stacking [b]Hercules and Atlas.* [/B]

Originally posted by darthgoober
So to you the gods of both worlds that share a name are equal?

Yes, at the very least.

i've always believed that in terms of pure strength, Superman > Thor > Herc. By a huge amount? No, but a definitive one. Maybe its just me.

Originally posted by Spire
Yes, at the very least.