Blade vs Lady Deathstrike

Originally posted by Trackz
It's pretty obvious Blade has moved his head, nothing in the fight showed that Logan didn't intend to do fatal damage, in fact it's possible he sheathed his claws and Punched Blade just to get distance between them so he could take out the sword.

You're willing to accept that Wolverine let Blade stab him to disarm Blade, However unwilling to accept that Blade let Wolverine tackle him in order to use the vampire blood? double standards.

He gutted Namor and tried to take out the Sentry in his vendetta arc.

That theory really doesn't adhere to any sort of internal logic. If Wolverine had left his claws out when he punched Blade, he would have killed him... and then he would have had amble room to pull out the sword. He asked Blade if he had a healing factor. Tested him with a glancing blow. Retracted his claws and punched because the initial wound didn't heal. It is an established standard course of action for the character.

Well Wolverine has done it before, most notably to Silver Samurai. His entire fighting style is largely predicated on purposely taking hits to capitalize and expose openings in his opponent knowing that A) there are holes in every defense at the moment of attack and B) very few characters can go shot for shot with him.

The idea that Blade "let" Wolverine tackle him is another faulty assumption. It would require that Blade's plan was to vamp and kill Wolverine from the get go, but that wasn't the case. He tried to talk to him and take Wolverine alive, if through use of force. The vamp blood was a last ditch effort in case Wolverine couldn't be reasoned or beaten in a fight. It was a trump card, "break glass in case of fire," fail safe and not the primary course of action. I'm not sure he would have ended up using it even if he didn't feel he was obligated not to. It would be pretty out of character for Blade to vamp someone just to kill them. Can't say for sure he wouldn't have, but it seems unlikely, I think he was hoping that Wolverine wouldn't roll the dice and back down without forcing his hand.

Namor can take a stabbing, and even if it is substantial enough that it actually puts him down for the ten count, he'll be 100% again you roll him into a river bed. Sentry can pretty much anything. The characters have much different limitations than Blade. There is a reason why Wolverine test to see if Blade had a healing factor, it's so he knew how much he need to restrain himself.

and in a fight with lady D she wont be care to see if blade has a healing factor and if she does test she wont be none to kind about it with her claws

Originally posted by Deadline
O brother. Blade sux at everything, he has no HF, no superhuman stats. Everyone and anybody beats his arse.

Blade wins, LD got owned by Cap. No I don't think Blade is as good as Cap but he sure wouldn't get owned like that.

All these threads are starting to make me a Blade fan the hate is insane.

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Of course the writer wanted Blade to get owned in his own comicbook and make him shit his pants.

Is anybody else seeing this?!?

Like I told you before, an artists "intentions" can be completely different than what that artist puts on panel.

Look, it's not that Blade gets beat by everyone and an everything.. it's that he gets beat by people who have better stats across the board, who hold virtually every advantage, have better feats across their career, or are superior to people who have those feats; You guys keep putting Blade up against A listers or heavy threats... of course you're going to get a mass of people stating he can't win.. because killing vampires isn't enough reason to think he can...
You guys start putting him up against the Jigsaws, Night-thrashers etc.. then we can have a discussion about how Blade totally Pwns! You can't keep putting him in battles with melee monsters who can tank being blown up and expect us to think he has a chance because he may or may not be able to heal scratches on his face and may or may not have brought some vamp serum to the forum battle. 😬

Originally posted by Trackz
you're making an assumption he knows Blade, based on their conversation they were both under the impression that was their first time meeting.

The guy recognized hunter in darkness from decades ago while he was under psychological trauma based on scent alone.....

To think he didn't recognize Blade is asinine.

Originally posted by jinzin
Starting? What the hell are you talking about? You've been in Blade's corner for years.

Like I told you before, an artists "intentions" can be completely different than what that artist puts on panel.

Look, it's not that Blade gets beat by everyone and an everything.. it's that he gets beat by people who have better stats across the board, who hold virtually every advantage, have better feats across their career, or are superior to people who have those feats; You guys keep putting Blade up against A listers or heavy threats... of course you're going to get a mass of people stating he can't win.. because killing vampires isn't enough reason to think he can...
You guys start putting him up against the Jigsaws, Night-thrashers etc.. then we can have a discussion about how Blade totally Pwns! You can't keep putting him in battles with melee monsters who can tank being blown up and expect us to think he has a chance because he may or may not be able to heal scratches on his face and may or may not have brought some vamp serum to the forum battle. 😬

Seriously guys. Every character has fans, but you can be a fan and still be objective. It's not hard. I like Elsa Bloodstone, and I still think Captain America would kick her ass... and Elsa has WAY better feats than Blade.

If a character can't go feat for feat with the top tier streets then they don't stack up. Blade's feats aren't even in the same league, let alone ball park, as the street level kings. That simple.

Originally posted by jinzin
I am... because it would be heavily out of character for Wolverine not to recognize him. It would also go against common logic given how Wolverine was given all of his memories back witch crystal clarity which actually according to Loebs Evolution arc went back entire life cycles...

The guy recognized hunter in darkness from decades ago while he was under psychological trauma based on scent alone.....

To think he didn't recognize Blade is asinine.

He had some idea who he was, but he thought his name was Edge though... unless that was supposed to be an underhanded insult.

Originally posted by jinzin
I am... because it would be heavily out of character for Wolverine not to recognize him. It would also go against common logic given how Wolverine was given all of his memories back witch crystal clarity which actually according to Loebs Evolution arc went back entire life cycles...

The guy recognized hunter in darkness from decades ago while he was under psychological trauma based on scent alone.....

To think he didn't recognize Blade is asinine.

He met blade for maybe a couple of seconds, didn't know his name, didn't know anything about him.

even if he did recognize him it would as the guy he saved way back then, has no baring on what he's done with his life. Wolverine might recognize hand ninjas from there previous life that doesn't mean he would show them any mercy.

that is also still making the assumption that Wolverine recognizes Blade perfectly.

wolverine isnt in this thread trackz take it somewhere else.

none of the reasons you think hamper wolverine for or against matters since Lady Deathstrike wont be hampered with wolverine's CIS.

She will fight to the best of her ability, that means she isnt going to engage blade in small talk or care if he is a hero or villain working for shield.

focus on Lady D or i'll report it as spamming if you continue to deviate the thread.

Oh forget it. ^ you get a nerve.

threatening to report people really isn't a good idea.

This is my thread, Wolverine is not in it.... This is not Wolverine vs Blade.

If you don't want Wolverine mentioned in a thread maybe choosing a character who doesn't fight Wolverine in nine tenths of her appearances would be a good choice?

This is not Wolverine vs Blade fight. Its LD vs Blade.

Originally posted by -Pr-
threatening to report people really isn't a good idea.

Deathstrike has 10 finger claws that can extend a few feet and her arms also telescope giving her better range then blades one ada. sword.

Blade has not shown to tank Lady Deathstrike's lvl of damage output.
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6339/ld2ld2.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6106/ld3qu4.jpg

Her healing factor would keep her operating allowing her to get the kill stroke when it the opportunity opens.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5889/easilybeatsdeathstrike4us3.jpg

i dont see Blade capable of operating with this level of damage or even capable of living with said amount of damage.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/62527/1237346-x23_ladyd__3_.png

Originally posted by The Nuul
This is not Wolverine vs Blade fight. Its LD vs Blade.

And the vast majority of Lady Deathstrikes feats involve fighting Wolverine. Wolverine is her measuring stick, she can't be brought up without mentioning him.

of course not.. but, that doesnt mean we focus on wolverine and his character completely shifting the attention away from Lady D.

at least mention her in the same sentence as him if you are going to talk about wolverine and make comparison dont forget about her.

for instance... i dont see Blade having a healing factor matching wolverine's where he could shrug off such an attack.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/36512/910310-deathstrike.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/10390/344915-72280-lady-deathstrike.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/10390/344916-55464-lady-deathstrike.jpg

Originally posted by jinzin
Starting? What the hell are you talking about? You've been in Blade's corner for years.

Which clearly demonstrates you don't know what the hell you're talking about. You can go back to the Blade vs Wolverine thread and see that I was not arguing that Blade wins the majority. You can go to the Elektra vs Blade thread and see that I respected both sides those for and against. Does that sound like I'm biased? How do we get into a situation like this if those are my views?

As I have said before you downplay and you nitpick EVERYTHING. What makes matter worse is the gigantic hypocrisy. You keep banging on about how the Blade side doesn't have enough proof for their arguments, well guess what neither do you. You analyse the Blade showings to the nth degree but you make blantant assumptions about your own arguments.

Originally posted by jinzin

Like I told you before, an artists "intentions" can be completely different than what that artist puts on panel.

Except it not clear cut is it? I keep hearing stuff like Wolverine allowed himself to get stabbed or Wolverine was testing Blades HF. How the hell do you know that? Did Wolverine tell you? Was there a thought bubble that said that? Was there some narration that stated thats what he was trying to do? The fact of the matter is you're making assumptions and you got nothing concerete or conclusive to back it up but you're acting like it's a fact. You can even say that the Blade sides arguments are not conclusive either. The reason for this is because there is alot of talk about intention and what the character was thinking. You don't know what they're thinking you can only guess and in a situation like that the writer has the final say. It's not like the writer intended Blade to punch him but instead there was a picture of Blade stabbing him. 😬

Furthermore its not good to use this fight as evidence. Neither of them were fighting to there best and neither of them really wanted to fight. If you really want to kill somebody you don't declare your prescence to them and try and convince them to come with you. Blade knows Wolverines a good guys and knows he wouldn't kill him. In that situation you're not going to do your best and won't even defend yourself properly.

Originally posted by jinzin
Look, it's not that Blade gets beat by everyone and an everything.. it's that he gets beat by people who have better stats across the board, who hold virtually every advantage, have better feats across their career, or are superior to people who have those feats; You guys keep putting Blade up against A listers or heavy threats... of course you're going to get a mass of people stating he can't win.. because killing vampires isn't enough reason to think he can...
You guys start putting him up against the Jigsaws, Night-thrashers etc.. then we can have a discussion about how Blade totally Pwns! You can't keep putting him in battles with melee monsters who can tank being blown up and expect us to think he has a chance because he may or may not be able to heal scratches on his face and may or may not have brought some vamp serum to the forum battle. 😬

No you're biased period. Even when Wolverine gets the majority you're not even satisfied you want people to agree with everything you say and insult people on top of it. I don't remember getting insulted by Blade fans when I said I thought Cap was more skillful. I don't know maybe its because I didn't nitpick Blade feats and actually gave credible evidence.

Originally posted by King Castle
of course not.. but, that doesnt mean we focus on wolverine and his character completely shifting the attention away from Lady D.

Give it a rest, please. It's relevant to the thread period.

Furthermore this idea that Wolverine was just trying to test Blade to see if he had HF is complete and utter craziness. Some guy breaks into your apartment and runs you through with a sword and the first thing you wanna do is test to see if he has a HF? haermm Obvoulsy its illogical to think that Wolverine was trying to strike him so he could take him down.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine asked Blade if he had a healing factor, and then he raked Blade's cheek with his claws. Either Wolverine was merely testing Blade's ability to heal... or Wolverine was indenting to murder a superhero operating in an official capacity as a law enforcement personal under direct orders from SHIELD. Which of those do you think seems likely?

Obvoulsy in a situation like that there are only two logical conclusions.

A) Trying to test to see if Blade has a HF

waitaminute the only other logical explanation is this

B) Trying to murder him

Sooooo it can't be B so it has to be A. Wait, wait no wait I just had a brainstorm theres another explanation.

C) Wasn't actually trying to test to see if he had a HF, it was just a joke (ie I have a HF but if you don't you're f*ked) but was actually trying to take Blade down through non-lethal means.

Guys guys I did it! It took a while but I figured it out, at first I thought there were only two explanations but there were actually three. I'm so glad I took the time to think about it otherwise I would have thought B was the only alternative.

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Take that Blade vs Wolverine HF/testing talk some where else.

^ Take yourself somewhere else. 😬