Superman Vs Thor vs SS vs Marvel Who's more Durable

Originally posted by Blanket
Ya, your only argument was "PIS!!"

How do you know they can knock around Surfer with their mightiest blows? And how does a 'IMO' answer equal it contradicting Surfer's history?

And how would we even know if they can do that anyway, since if they did, it'd be labeled PIS by you?
Editor's note: Nova the far weaker herald of Galactus can destroy a sun...

Ya, in this post you explained why it was pis, with the magical 'IMO' argument, but in every other post you didn't. Simply claimed it was pis... simply claimed EVERYTHING was pis.

The problem is, I said multiple high durability feats, and I could ramble on even more about them. You claimed every feat was pis, and said Surfer not amping himself couldn't take a planet destroying attack... Is this not trolling? Hell, you even said Surfer surviving in the core of a sun couldn't happen... after multiple times it happened...

You mean like the numerous high durability feats of Surfer that were called PIS?

This calls for an experiment. Let's see what happens.

1.Surfer survived a super nova uninjured.
2.Surfer has taken every Hulk attack to no effect (except when he was double depowered and Hulk cheapshotted him)
3.Surfer took Beta Ray Bill's full on hammer swings to no effect
4.Surfer flies through suns just because he can
5.Surfer took multiple attacks from Tenebrous and Aegis and was still awake, and then was exposed to the Crunch's energies.
6.Surfer took Korvac's cosmic bolt to no effect (which was said to be able to destroy a planet)
7.Surfer was able to fight inside a black hole
8.Surfer barely able to walk stayed awake for multiple pages of a pissed off WM beating on him
9.Surfer withstood a couple blows from a being that both Thanos and Galactus wanted it's power
etc

1. Can't accept
2. Hulk is variable so this can be accepted
3. Can't be accept for two reasons. First, Thor affected him. Second, SS and Thor/BRB are in the same class (as accepted by all). If neither Thor nor BRB can affect SS with their blows then SS is far far above them and they can't win a fight against him out of 10.
4. Accepted
5. What types of attacks? I need to read the comic (Annihilation right?)
6. What is said is not always what is shown. Plus beings can vary the strength of their blasts for many different reasons (to converse energy is one). Or the strength of their blasts depends on how much energy they have absorbed.
7. Accepted only if SS was manipulating the black hole on some level to be able to do this. For example, affecting the gravity, being partially phased, etc. Because otherwise it would contradict the Thor SS comparison.
8. Accepted
9. Logic here is a little iffy. Power doesn't have to efficiently translate into punching power. Also that would mean that Thanos hurting SS with his blows would contradict this.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor proved the first question with average blows.
I don't understand your second question.
Destroying a sun is nothing. All that is needed is a chain reaction to occur. Humans on Star Trek can achieve that with technology. A small black hole can do the trick too. What does this have to do with surviving a supernova at ground zero? I only claim PIS when it contradicts something that is well accepted or shown throughout history. Trust me, I may be wrong on some things but I swear to you I believe they contradict. I wanted Superman to beat SS so badly that I argued tooth and nail for him. Goober showed me some scans that convinced me that SS can win the majority. I didn't cry PIS because what was shown is accepted by what SS can do and doesn't contradict his ability at all. I was still mad though, but accepted defeat. This alone proves I don't cry PIS if I don't legitimately believe it is PIS. There is a such thing as being wrong. I was wrong on Surfer not surviving in the core of the sun. I admitted this already. Trolls don't admit when they are wrong. I would never intentionally post anything that I don't believe in. Call me dumb for thinking stupidly but never call me a troll. Good evidence can and has always convinced me. My point is that if it is acceptable that Thor can affect SS with his hammer blows (not slams) then it contradicts SS being unaffected by a planet explosion. SS might survive the explosion (I was wrong here too) but certainly he will be greatly affected.

1. Can't accept
2. Hulk is variable so this can be accepted
3. Can't be accept for two reasons. First, Thor affected him. Second, SS and Thor/BRB are in the same class (as accepted by all). If neither Thor nor BRB can affect SS with their blows then SS is far far above them and they can't win a fight against him out of 10.
4. Accepted
5. What types of attacks? I need to read the comic (Annihilation right?)
6. What is said is not always what is shown. Plus beings can vary the strength of their blasts for many different reasons (to converse energy is one). Or the strength of their blasts depends on how much energy they have absorbed.
7. Accepted only if SS was manipulating the black hole on some level to be able to do this. For example, affecting the gravity, being partially phased, etc. Because otherwise it would contradict the Thor SS comparison.
8. Accepted
9. Logic here is a little iffy. Power doesn't have to efficiently translate into punching power. Also that would mean that Thanos hurting SS with his blows would contradict this.

Thor proved the first one with average blows?
First off, the comic had Thor absolutely stomping Warlock and Surfer. And had Thor later beating Maxam and PG Drax at the same time...
BTW, Thor said that Warrior Madness increases his strength tenfold.
That your opinion apparently contradicts what happens on panel.

A chain reaction? Like Nova shooting it once and it blowing up?
Humans on Star Trek... wow.
A small black hole? First off, have you ever seen a 'small' black hole destroy a sun? Second off, do you realize what a black hole does?
That Nova has the power to make a sun look like a lightbulb?

I don't know what that has to do with anything said here, except that Goober made you look dumb... 😕

K, except your trolling when you label every feat presented as pis.
Why would he be greatly effected by a planet? Because of the ONE time Thor knocked him out (ignoring context)? That doesn't equate, and what also doesn't equate is how you're using the Thor feat to claim everything as pis. One feat does not overpower 10. And Thor was pissed off, and it's been said that WM makes him ten times stronger...
As well as Thor's hammer blows are more solid than the outward explosion of the planet, and is all in one place. In other wards, Thor's hammer blow not holding back will cause more damage than a planet exploding on you.

1. Because of?
2. Hulk was pissed off in all three battles off the top of my mind. Let alone the other two or three.
3. Ignoring all I said about the Thor thing, that fight happened before Surfer's Annihilation powerup. Also, you don't have to hurt somebody within two blows to be in their weightclass.
And also also, BRB was nowhere near Surfer for that battle, but that's neither here nor there...
4. Why can you accept him flying through suns to make himself feel better, but have a hard time seeing him be unaffected by a planet exploding?
5. Physical, blasts. It's all in his respect thread, posted by yours truly (can't copy and paste, otherwise...).
6. It's Korvac. 😐
Second, it's Korvac defending a bomb that would destroy a 5th of the universe.
Third, it's Korvac. 😐
7. There you go again comparing the many feats of high durability to the one showing vs Thor.
And even if we did go that route, Thor's hammerstrike don't equal the tearing apart of a black hole and vice versa.
8. Just to play a mind game with you, but WM at that time was considered a top tier, with top tier strength...
9. You're right, it doesn't. However, I don't believe it was just punches, and at the very least, it's still a powerful being.
The thing is, he only took a couple shots from this being, while Thanos teed off on Surfer.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not accepting something is poor debating. You can't just pick and choose what you accept and what you do not accept.

Do you accept Thing beating Thanos in h2h?

Originally posted by Blanket
Thor proved the first one with average blows?
First off, the comic had Thor absolutely stomping Warlock and Surfer. And had Thor later beating Maxam and PG Drax at the same time...
BTW, Thor said that Warrior Madness increases his strength tenfold.
That your opinion apparently contradicts what happens on panel.

A chain reaction? Like Nova shooting it once and it blowing up?
Humans on Star Trek... wow.
A small black hole? First off, have you ever seen a 'small' black hole destroy a sun? Second off, do you realize what a black hole does?
That Nova has the power to make a sun look like a lightbulb?

I don't know what that has to do with anything said here, except that Goober made you look dumb... 😕

K, except your trolling when you label every feat presented as pis.
Why would he be greatly effected by a planet? Because of the ONE time Thor knocked him out (ignoring context)? That doesn't equate, and what also doesn't equate is how you're using the Thor feat to claim everything as pis. One feat does not overpower 10. And Thor was pissed off, and it's been said that WM makes him ten times stronger...
As well as Thor's hammer blows are more solid than the outward explosion of the planet, and is all in one place. In other wards, Thor's hammer blow not holding back will cause more damage than a planet exploding on you.

1. Because of?
2. Hulk was pissed off in all three battles off the top of my mind. Let alone the other two or three.
3. Ignoring all I said about the Thor thing, that fight happened before Surfer's Annihilation powerup. Also, you don't have to hurt somebody within two blows to be in their weightclass.
And also also, BRB was nowhere near Surfer for that battle, but that's neither here nor there...
4. Why can you accept him flying through suns to make himself feel better, but have a hard time seeing him be unaffected by a planet exploding?
5. Physical, blasts. It's all in his respect thread, posted by yours truly (can't copy and paste, otherwise...).
6. It's Korvac. 😐
Second, it's Korvac defending a bomb that would destroy a 5th of the universe.
Third, it's Korvac. 😐
7. There you go again comparing the many feats of high durability to the one showing vs Thor.
And even if we did go that route, Thor's hammerstrike don't equal the tearing apart of a black hole and vice versa.
8. Just to play a mind game with you, but WM at that time was considered a top tier, with top tier strength...
9. You're right, it doesn't. However, I don't believe it was just punches, and at the very least, it's still a powerful being.
The thing is, he only took a couple shots from this being, while Thanos teed off on Surfer.

1. Contradicts the Thor SS comparison which is universally accepted.
2. Hulk is always pissed, otherwise he wouldn't be Hulk. A pissed Hulk's (whatever that means) strength can range from 100tons to whatever.
3. Don't quite understand your reply here. Give me an example of someone being in another's class yet they can't affect them with 2 blows. Using common sense, if one can't affect someone in x blows then they certainly can't affect them in x+1 blows. Thus by induction, they can never affect them.
4. Because the more SS absorbs the higher his durability gets. This is the only reason why I feel Superman can survive in the Sun. Otherwise I would be crying PIS for him too (just to prove I don't have a bias mindset on the issue).
5. I have to look for them. Better yet I need to read the whole comic to prevent any misinterpretation. I'll get back to you on this in a few days at most.
6. If you believe and accept this then do you honestly see a contradiction on the SS Thor comparison?
7. I'm not comparing anything but what is accepted by all. Do you believe that SS and Thor are in the same league? Do you think Thor can affect SS with his hammer strikes?
8. I accept it, no problem there for me. OK?
9. Each hit by Thanos was devastating to Surfer.

Captain Marvel is the most durable [taking shots from the Spectre and the lords of chaos]

Surfer has nearly been fried by Storms lightning, was beaten to death by Thanos, and was even put on his ass by Rhino

Thor nearly got broken in half by Juggernaut

Superman has physical durability but has vunerability to magic and red sun light

CM ftw

Originally posted by Samurai_X
Captain Marvel is the most durable [taking shots from the Spectre and the lords of chaos]

Surfer has nearly been fried by Storms lightning, was beaten to death by Thanos, and was even put on his ass by Rhino

Thor nearly got broken in half by Juggernaut

Superman has physical durability but has vunerability to magic and red sun light

CM ftw

Originally posted by Samurai_X
Captain Marvel is the most durable [taking shots from the Spectre and the lords of chaos]

Surfer has nearly been fried by Storms lightning, was beaten to death by Thanos, and was even put on his ass by Rhino

Thor nearly got broken in half by Juggernaut

Superman has physical durability but has vunerability to magic and red sun light

CM ftw

Surfer suffered no damage from storms lightning or from rhino......

Originally posted by h1a8
Do you accept Thing beating Thanos in h2h?

Originally posted by darthgoober
CM got turned back into a human by the Bat Kick...

Who wouldn't? The fact that he survived makes him LT/Spectre Level Imho.

Well, this is getting old.
At H1:

The times it was stated that it was Warrior Madness have me confused. Also, the only earlier fight between Thor and Surfer was when Thor didn't touch Surfer once...
Unless you mean an earlier fight with Surfer in the same series, which still means it's the same point. The comics had Thor stomping Warlock/Surfer. Stomping Beta/Surfer, stomping Ares, stomping Drax/Maxam pretty much in a row (different order, but same thing). Plus other battles.

K. So you have no problem with a low level as Nova blowing upa sun, but you had problems with Surfer surviving in a sun, have problems with unamped Surfer surviving a planet exploding, and Surfer taking a nova? Seriously?

Then play the role here, because you have no point at all other than objecting against feats.

You did claim every feat was pis though.
You asked me what was wrong with your post. I told you. You called every feat pis. 😐
BTW, you ignored the point I was trying to make. That you're arguing about every Surfer feat you don't like... just because Thor beat Surfer in that one series. I'm pretty sure I wrote this a couple times, so I don't see a reason to ignore it.

1. Again with the one feat vs 10. Also, the Thor vs Surfer fight isn't universally accepted. For God's sake, Thor one shotted Surfer. 😐
2. K. Hulk said he was hitting Surfer with all his strength. Twice he fought Surfer as Bannerless Hulk. He hit Surfer and then started bending Surfer's board... ya, really pissed off.
3. You want an example? Superman vs Doomsday Death of Superman. Superman ends up killing him. Real life example, Anthony Johnson vs Kevin Burns 2. Also, that is not common sense... you do realize that hits add up, don't you?
4. Except that it hasn't been said that Surfer is absorbing energy... and, you're only objective because you think it's an OMG ending feat when in reality (ironically the only place it's that sort of feat), it is almost nothing in comics.
5. Don't worry, I'll wait a few days... 😐
6. Umm, Korvac is way higher than Thor first off. Second, Korvac is way higher than Thor.
7. I believe they are in the same league. I believe Thor can effect him with hammerstrikes. What I don't accept, is Thor pretty much one shotting Surfer, and making both Warlock and Surfer look like street levels.
8. I realize you accept it, but I'm having a problem seeing how you accept it when Wonderman was put on a really high level back then. Like Hercules/Thor strength level.
9. If every hit was devastating to Surfer, then maybe you're underrating Thanos (no, that'd be impossible)? BTW, I never said it wasn't devastating to Surfer from the ancient God, I said he survived it.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You are an idiot. It is official. You don't read SS do you.. he's already survived things you say he can't survive.. just stop posting.

Silver Surfer can't take on a rubber duck. 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
YouTube video

Silver Surfer can't take on a rubber duck. 😖hifty:

Shit, that game would piss me the hell off.

Originally posted by Blanket
Well, this is getting old.
At H1:

The times it was stated that it was Warrior Madness have me confused. Also, the only earlier fight between Thor and Surfer was when Thor didn't touch Surfer once...
Unless you mean an earlier fight with Surfer in the same series, which still means it's the same point. The comics had Thor stomping Warlock/Surfer. Stomping Beta/Surfer, stomping Ares, stomping Drax/Maxam pretty much in a row (different order, but same thing). Plus other battles.

K. So you have no problem with a low level as Nova blowing upa sun, but you had problems with Surfer surviving in a sun, have problems with unamped Surfer surviving a planet exploding, and Surfer taking a nova? Seriously?

Then play the role here, because you have no point at all other than objecting against feats.

You did claim every feat was pis though.
You asked me what was wrong with your post. I told you. You called every feat pis. 😐
BTW, you ignored the point I was trying to make. That you're arguing about every Surfer feat you don't like... just because Thor beat Surfer in that one series. I'm pretty sure I wrote this a couple times, so I don't see a reason to ignore it.

1. Again with the one feat vs 10. Also, the Thor vs Surfer fight isn't universally accepted. For God's sake, Thor one shotted Surfer. 😐

2. K. Hulk said he was hitting Surfer with all his strength. Twice he fought Surfer as Bannerless Hulk. He hit Surfer and then started bending Surfer's board... ya, really pissed off.

3. You want an example? Superman vs Doomsday Death of Superman. Superman ends up killing him. Real life example, Anthony Johnson vs Kevin Burns 2. Also, that is not common sense... you do realize that hits add up, don't you?

4. Except that it hasn't been said that Surfer is absorbing energy... and, you're only objective because you think it's an OMG ending feat when in reality (ironically the only place it's that sort of feat), it is almost nothing in comics.

5. Don't worry, I'll wait a few days... 😐
6. Umm, Korvac is way higher than Thor first off. Second, Korvac is way higher than Thor.

7. I believe they are in the same league. I believe Thor can effect him with hammerstrikes. What I don't accept, is Thor pretty much one shotting Surfer, and making both Warlock and Surfer look like street levels.

8. I realize you accept it, but I'm having a problem seeing how you accept it when Wonderman was put on a really high level back then. Like Hercules/Thor strength level.

9. If every hit was devastating to Surfer, then maybe you're underrating Thanos (no, that'd be impossible)? BTW, I never said it wasn't devastating to Surfer from the ancient God, I said he survived it.

that video was mad funny

Originally posted by h1a8
I never seen where it stated it was WM. It just said he was crazy.
Blowing up a sun has absolutely nothing to do with surviving in one. Why do you repeat settled arguments? I conceded that Surfer can survive a planet explosion. Gladly. I object against those feats which contradict which is accepted by all. Lies! If you carefully read my first post you will see that I didn't even claim 50% of feats PIS. It is accepted that a fight between them will be evenly matched. That means a normal Thor can affect SS with his hammer strikes. Are you saying he can't? Hulk is variable and cannot be used. If so then SS not feeling a Pissed Hulk's hits would contradict him feeling Thor's. Superman found his weakness, his pony protrusions is an extension of his skeleton as stated. Thus that example isn't good. I know nothing about the Anthony Johnson and Kevin Burns fight. All professional fighters CAN affect all humans with a single strike. Fact! It doesn't have to say. It is the only way to salvage the story without reaching a contradiction (PIS). Who cares? Just as long as it doesn't contradict the Thor SS relationship. Understood. So SS surviving a nova at ground zero contradicts that understanding. I go with the continuity of comics. So if someone is retconned to be weaker then they were always weaker by the retconn. The same goes with adamantium. Even if SS survived, it still contradicts the earlier reasoning.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Surfer getting getting hurt by Thor via physical force from his hammer isn't comparible to surviving something like a supernova. One is physical damage from a magical hammer(and while Surfer's not particularly vulnerable to magic, he's not invulnerable against it either) and one is primarily energy based "blasting" damage.

Good point! But I don't believe it is the magic in the hammer that is hurting SS. I believe Supernovas contains both energy based and physical based damage. The physical base occurs when the star emits heavy elements such as iron. I could be wrong though and a nova could be all energy based. If so then I agree with you and can accept it fully.

One thing (because your whole argument hinges on it anyway):

How did you yet again ignore that you're using one low feat to contradict every high feat you don't like? It's not like I didn't write it out for you to see or anything about four times already... If one feat is being used against 10, then that probably means that the one feat is pis... not the other way around. 😐

Originally posted by Blanket
One thing (because your whole argument hinges on it anyway):

How did you yet again ignore that you're using one low feat to contradict every high feat you don't like? It's not like I didn't write it out for you to see or anything about four times already... If one feat is being used against 10, then that probably means that the one feat is pis... not the other way around. 😐

I'm not quite doing that. What I was doing was comparing a supernova to Thor's hits and going by popular opinion. If thor affecting surfer with a hammer strike is a low showing and thus PIS then SS should beat Thor 10/10. But most people don't think so. Actually, a slight majority may give thor the edge. Me personally, I believe SS can beat Thor 8-9/10.

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not quite doing that. What I was doing was comparing a supernova to Thor's hits and going by popular opinion. If thor affecting surfer with a hammer strike is a low showing and thus PIS then SS should beat Thor 10/10. But most people don't think so. Actually, a slight majority may give thor the edge. Me personally, I believe SS can beat Thor 8-9/10.