Originally posted by Genii96
Well,that argument was pretty much shat on..lolz
Superman getting depowered in 3 days is somehow a low showing.
Remind me vince, how much time it took Surfer to get depowered in Dynamo City when cut off from cosmic rays?
Oh, I forgot. Instantly depowered.
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Here abhi goes again trying his best to grasp at straws in order to give Superman a feat he didn't actually do.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Your fan fiction might be correct if Superman hadn't informed when exactly his powers started diminishing.http://i.imgur.com/4wT48xX.jpg
Guess what? It's after the sun eater incident. I can post several such scans which inform that Superman's powers started waning AFTER sun eater devoured sun.
And in the main Final Night book, Superman was already weakened when he arrived at Paris, not after he left Paris. This is evidenced by the fact that he got tired catching bullets. Clearly this demonstrates him being weakened well before Paris, which contradicts your scan. Not that your scan actually refuted anything.
It wasn't diminished at that point. No mention of that. He was unaffected in the very scene where everyone was screaming. His own words support it.
Superman was just as affected as everyone else. He showed exactly the same symptoms as those who were drained. He was physically weak and on his knees, and his speech was stuttered like everyone else. Even his speech bubble was crumpled like everyone elses. Centurion even said "All energies were drained" and that doesn't exclude Superman.
All you've got is Superman struggling for one panel and regaining his wording after one panel.Sorry Pal, that's not enough to override on panel proof. His powers were diminishing after 27 hours. That's outright stated.
That panel is more than enough to refute your claim that he resisted the draining, which you really haven't provided any basis for.
Which provided zero protection.
Except it's outright stated that Superman started weakening long after
But I know you'll just ignore that somehow.
And your scan that says Superman's power started diminishing after Paris is contradicted by the main book, where Superman is clearly shown depowered before he arrives at Paris, as evidenced by him getting tired catching bullets.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Posting my own scans and manipulating them?😂
When I thought you couldn't sink any lower.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Here come the cheerleaders.Superman getting depowered in 3 days is somehow a low showing.
Remind me vince, how much time it took Surfer to get depowered in Dynamo City when cut off from cosmic rays?
Oh, I forgot. Instantly depowered.
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It's not cheer-leading. Most people are smart enough not to buy the BS you're trying to sell.
Originally posted by One-Punch
Here abhi goes again trying his best to grasp at straws in order to give Superman a feat he didn't actually do.
I've the actual proof and you're just taking a panel of dialogue over it?
And I'm the one who is grasping at straws?
So? That scan doesn't refute what I said, which was that Superman was at least partially drained since he showed the same symptoms as everyone else who was drained.No, for everyone else they were totally drained.
Superman wasn't.
And in the main Final Night book, Superman was already weakened when he arrived at Paris, not after he left Paris. This is evidenced by the fact that he got tired catching bullets. Clearly this demonstrates him being weakened well before Paris, which contradicts your scan. Not that your scan actually refuted anything.That's what he said, he was shuttling Batman across the world constantly. That's why his powers began to drain after that.
It flat out says that his powers were not drained before that which shits on your fanfiction.
Your claim that Superman was unaffected is blatantly false.I've actual proof. What do you have?
Superman was just as affected as everyone else. He showed exactly the same symptoms as those who were drained. He was physically weak and on his knees, and his speech was stuttered like everyone else. Even his speech bubble was crumpled like everyone elses. Centurion even said "[b]All energies were drained" and that doesn't exclude Superman.Superman wasn't drained. Everyone else was. Actual comic scans and not based on dialogue from Superman in one panel.
Firestorm even says that Superman would get drained after that.
That panel shows Superman exhibiting the same symptoms of being drained like the other heroes e.g., physically weak, stuttered speech, crumbled speech bubble. That's strong evidence that he was drained too.And in very next panel he has recovered completely and going after Sun Eater again. Which none of them could do. Add in Superman's own words that he was weakening after Paris and not before that? Your whole story gets ripped apart.
That panel is more than enough to refute your claim that he resisted the draining, which you really haven't provided any basis for.It isn't.
Everyone else got drained. Superman wasn't.
It was powerful enough to shield them from a miniature sun, up close.The sun eater was draining them even through it.
So in other words, you're going to ignore the fact that Superman was shown weakened the same way the other heroes were after they were drained? Okay.
And you are just going to ignore Superman flat out saying that he was weakening after that?
And your scan that says Superman's power started diminishing after Paris is contradicted by the main book, where Superman is clearly shown depowered before he arrives at Paris, as evidenced by him getting tired catching bullets.
He says his powers have been diminishing since Paris. There is no contradiction.
Of course you did.I didn't manipulate anything. Why would I upload scans when I can just use yours, and add my own when needed.
It's not cheer-leading. Most people are smart enough not to buy the BS you're trying to sell. [/B]
Why is it always the same people who cheerlead you anyway? Can't you get someone else?
Now as we have established that Superman has better control over his energies than surfer, let's see what happens if Superman punches Surfer at full force.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/supersting-57.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/supersting-58.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/supersting-59.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/supersting-60.jpg
That's literally Death he punched through.
http://whatculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/ac770ar7.jpg
Emperor Joker. Funny thing, he was holding back there.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/deathofthenewgods08015qf6.jpg
Soulfire Darkseid. Shrugged off attacks from Source just pages before.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16015855/supermanvsimp.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16015857/supermanvsimp2.jpg.html
Quantum Zealot beating the **** out of an imp.
The funny thing is Superman has probably punched through abstract level beings more times than Surfer has beaten a Herald. I'm forgetting at least two more such examples.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
I've the actual proof and you're just taking a panel of dialogue over it?And I'm the one who is grasping at straws?
No, for everyone else they were totally drained.
Superman wasn't.
You've tried to post multiple excuses for Superman's symptoms of being drained, which all turned out to be false. Since then you've been flip-flopping from one excuse to another.
Let's examine a list of your claims that were refuted.
Here's your first excuse quoted below: you tried claiming Superman was weary because he loaned energy to create a mini sun. You backed away from this claim when I pointed out that same excuse can be applied to all the heroes who loaned their energy, and were shown weary after.
Originally posted by abhilegend
But Superman was on his knees for one panel after helping creating a sun and somehow he was drained. Because of other characters, Superman sounded just fine at that point. Superman wasn't drained. Any noticeable drain on his powers after helping to create a duplicate sun.
Here's your second excuse, quoted below: you imply Alpha Centurion only said the other heroes were drained but not Superman, which is false. His direct quote was "All energies were drained...even body heat." He never said Superman wasn't drained, in fact he said ALL energies were drained, which logically should include Superman's. Mixed with the fact that Superman displayed the exact same symptoms as the others...this isn't looking good for you.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Everyone else got drained. Alpha Centurion even says so. Except Superman and Firestorm who reminds superman that going after sun eater will drain him like others.
Here is your third excuse quoted below: you claimed Superman operated for days without any noticeable drain on his powers. You were wrong, because by 27 hours Superman's powers diminished to the point of getting tired catching bullets, and to the point where Superman states he's barely faster than a bullet. It was also stated his powers were diminishing rapidly, all within 27 hours.
Originally posted by abhilegend
How was he even able to operate for days with no noticeable drain on his powers if he was depowered just like everyone?
Finally, after all your excuses have been debunked, you've resorted to denial. You claim Superman was unaffected by the Sun-Eater, while everyone else was. This completely contradicts the fact that Superman displayed the exact same symptoms as everyone else who was drained e.g., physically weak and on his knees, stuttering speech, crumpled speech bubble.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He was unaffected in the very scene where everyone was screaming. His own words support it.
You've pretty run out of excuses, to the point where your only answer to Superman showing the same drained symptoms as others is... "Lulz you only have one panelzzz, i have more prooofffs den ur fanfictionnzzz!!!"
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And your only "proof" is a scan of Superman saying his powers were diminishing since Paris. No where does it say his powers "started" diminishing after Paris, it's also contradicted by the scan from the MAIN book, which shows Superman arriving at Paris already severely weakened.
Superman wasn't drained. Everyone else was. Actual comic scans and not based on dialogue from Superman in one panel.
Firestorm even says that Superman would get drained after that.
And it's consistent with what I said originally, Superman was at least partially drained and he escaped before he could be fully drained. If Superman was fully drained, he wouldn't just be powerless, he would be dead, since the Sun-Eater drains all energy, including life energy as per Firestorm's words.
And in very next panel he has recovered completely and going after Sun Eater again. Which none of them could do. Add in Superman's own words that he was weakening after Paris and not before that? Your whole story gets ripped apart.
And you are just going to ignore Superman flat out saying that he was weakening after that? He says his powers have been diminishing since Paris. There is no contradiction. Of course you did.
Why is it always the same people who cheerlead you anyway? Can't you get someone else?
Originally posted by One-Punch
You keep saying you have "proof" he wasn't drained, but you haven't really posted anything to dispute the fact that Superman showed the [b]exact same symptoms as the other heroes who were drained e.g., physically weak, struggling to speak, and crumpled speech bubble. Again, this is evidence he was at least partially drained like the other heroes.You've tried to post multiple excuses for Superman's symptoms of being drained, which all turned out to be false. Since then you've been flip-flopping from one excuse to another.
Let's examine a list of your claims that were refuted.
Here's your first excuse quoted below: you tried claiming Superman was weary because he loaned energy to create a mini sun. You backed away from this claim when I pointed out that same excuse can be applied to all the heroes who loaned their energy, and were shown weary after.
Here's your second excuse, quoted below: you imply Alpha Centurion only said the other heroes were drained but not Superman, which is false. His direct quote was "All energies were drained...even body heat." He never said Superman wasn't drained, in fact he said ALL energies were drained, which logically should include Superman's. Mixed with the fact that Superman displayed the exact same symptoms as the others...this isn't looking good for you.
Here is your third excuse quoted below: you claimed Superman operated for days without any noticeable drain on his powers. You were wrong, because by 27 hours Superman's powers diminished to the point of getting tired catching bullets, and to the point where Superman states he's barely faster than a bullet. It was also stated his powers were diminishing rapidly, all within 27 hours.
Finally, after all your excuses have been debunked, you've resorted to denial. You claim Superman was unaffected by the Sun-Eater, while everyone else was. This completely contradicts the fact that Superman displayed the exact same symptoms as everyone else who was drained e.g., physically weak and on his knees, stuttering speech, crumpled speech bubble.
You've pretty run out of excuses, to the point where your only answer to Superman showing the same drained symptoms as others is... "Lulz you only have one panelzzz, i have more prooofffs den ur fanfictionnzzz!!!"
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And your only "proof" is a scan of Superman saying his powers were diminishing since Paris. No where does it say his powers "started" diminishing after Paris, it's also contradicted by the scan from the MAIN book, which shows Superman arriving at Paris already severely weakened.
See above. You haven't provided anything.
I don't think Firestorm telling Superman he would get his life drained and be killed helps your talking point of "Supermanzz took on the Sun-Eaterzz and resisted his drainingzz!!!"
And it's consistent with what I said originally, Superman was at least partially drained and he escaped before he could be fully drained. If Superman was fully drained, he wouldn't just be powerless, he would be dead, since the Sun-Eater drains all energy, including life energy as per Firestorm's words.
Next panel doesn't show him recovered completely, he still looks weary. Superman wanting to take on the Sun-Eater is him trying to be a hero, despite the odds against him. It doesn't indicate he was fully recovered.
And are you going to flat out ignore the scan that shows Superman being severely weakened when he arrives at Paris?
I suppose you're going to call PR a cheerleader now too? Like I said no one's cheerleading, people just aren't buying the snake oil you're trying to sell. [/B]
Debunking his claims really doesn't make a difference to him whatsoever. He'll just go back to saying he provided "proof" simply because he posted some scans and lied about what was actually happening in them, then a minion or two will back him up. It's pathetic. He's still going with the premise that Superman was "drained" even when he dispersed the energy by his own free will, and then he has the nerve to say he wasn't "drained" like the others when he is bent over with his voice shaking in the same panel!
Originally posted by One-Punch
You keep saying you have "proof" he wasn't drained, but you haven't really posted anything to dispute the fact that Superman showed the [b]exact same symptoms as the other heroes who were drained e.g., physically weak, struggling to speak, and crumpled speech bubble. Again, this is evidence he was at least partially drained like the other heroes.
And Firestorm said that he will get drained After going against Sun Eater. Superman himself is totally fine in the next page. Superman himself says he was starting to get weakened after the events of Final Night 2 several times.
How many things are you going to ignore? Speak bubbles don't weigh over actual statements.
You've tried to post multiple excuses for Superman's symptoms of being drained, which all turned out to be false. Since then you've been flip-flopping from one excuse to another.
Haha, this is just rich. But do try to ignore all proofs like you always do.
Let's examine a list of your claims that were refuted.
Here's your first excuse quoted below: you tried claiming Superman was weary because he loaned energy to create a mini sun. You backed away from this claim when I pointed out that same excuse can be applied to all the heroes who loaned their energy, and were shown weary after.
Did I? I said the other heroes were explicitly stated to be drained. Just not superman. Where did I back off?
I said Alpha Centurion stated that. But since you're stating Sun Eater absorbed all energy, how was Superman even able to retain his powers?Here's your second excuse, quoted below: you imply Alpha Centurion only said the other heroes were drained but not Superman, which is false. His direct quote was "All energies were drained...even body heat." He never said Superman wasn't drained, in fact he said ALL energies were drained, which logically should include Superman's. Mixed with the fact that Superman displayed the exact same symptoms as the others...this isn't looking good for you.
And Firestorm explicitly stated that Superman will get drained. Everyone was already drained.
Here is your third excuse quoted below: you claimed Superman operated for days without any noticeable drain on his powers. You were wrong, because by 27 hours Superman's powers diminished to the point of getting tired catching bullets, and to the point where Superman states he's barely faster than a bullet. It was also stated his powers were diminishing rapidly, all within 27 hours.
Totally false. Superman himself said he was getting weaker after Paris. The statement is from Lex who wasn't aware of Superman's whereabouts. I like how you totally ignore my scan.
Finally, after all your excuses have been debunked, you've resorted to denial. You claim Superman was unaffected by the Sun-Eater, while everyone else was. This completely contradicts the fact that Superman displayed the exact same symptoms as everyone else who was drained e.g., physically weak and on his knees, stuttering speech, crumpled speech bubble.
Debunking? More like sheer desperation from you. I'm talking about a direct statement from Superman while you're just drawing assumptions from a speech bubble. You are just whining at this point.
Some more whining. Why don't you take an eraser and erase my scans while you're at it?You've pretty run out of excuses, to the point where your only answer to Superman showing the same drained symptoms as others is... "Lulz you only have one panelzzz, i have more prooofffs den ur fanfictionnzzz!!!"
And your only "proof" is a scan of Superman saying his powers were diminishing since Paris. No where does it say his powers "started" diminishing after Paris, it's also contradicted by the scan from the MAIN book, which shows Superman arriving at Paris already severely weakened.
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This is just atrocious. If you don't have anything, just say so. Manipulating wording in a scan won't do you any good. And it doesn't contradict Final Night, it even references Final Night 2 FFS.
See above. You haven't provided anything.
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Except he did. Otherwise he would've been depowered like everyone else.I don't think Firestorm telling Superman he would get his life drained and be killed helps your talking point of "Supermanzz took on the Sun-Eaterzz and resisted his drainingzz!!!"
As per Alpha Centurion sun eater absorbed everything. How did Superman retain his powers?
And it's consistent with what I said originally, Superman was at least partially drained and he escaped before he could be fully drained. If Superman was fully drained, he wouldn't just be powerless, he would be dead, since the Sun-Eater drains all energy, including life energy as per Firestorm's words.
He wasn't drained at all. As per his own words. And in the time "he was partially drained", everyone else was drained fully.
And nobody died. So many excuses.
Next panel doesn't show him recovered completely, he still looks weary. Superman wanting to take on the Sun-Eater is him trying to be a hero, despite the odds against him. It doesn't indicate he was fully recovered.
No, it simply shows he wasn't drained. Nobody else was in a condition to take on Sun Eater. Since y'know, they were totally drained.
And are you going to flat out ignore the scan that shows Superman being severely weakened when he arrives at Paris?
That was the first sign of him getting weakened. When we first see him after twenty seven hours he wasn't weakened.
I suppose you're going to call PR a cheerleader now too? Like I said no one's cheerleading, people just aren't buying the snake oil you're trying to sell. [/B]
Pr just dislikes me.
And yes, keep whining.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Not nearly far enough. He should be banished to the Superman board instead of trying to take over this one with super propaganda.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Debunking his claims really doesn't make a difference to him whatsoever. He'll just go back to saying he provided "proof" simply because he posted some scans and lied about what was actually happening in them, then a minion or two will back him up. It's pathetic. He's still going with the premise that Superman was "drained" even when he dispersed the energy by his own free will, and then he has the nerve to say he wasn't "drained" like the others when he is bent over with his voice shaking in the same panel!
If you oppose me in a thread, I know I'm right.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You're just harmless at this point in your hate.If you oppose me in a thread, I know I'm right.
Lol, if you are lying about showings and everyone else can see the showings for themselves, you know you are wrong and everyone else does too. You were exposed a long time ago.
