........vs Superman without his weaknesses

Originally posted by -Pr-

so he's going to: examine superman to find out that he's powered by the sun. come up with a way to absorb days worth of stored solar energy in a matter of miliseconds, and he's going to accomplish all of this while avoiding superman?

it's not invalid at all. it's the best example you're going to find of superman being drained.

Err....surfer will immediately sense the energy within superman. And what do u mean by come up with a way to absorb days worth of solar energy? Surfer is an energy absorber he will simply draw the energy out of him. Ur attempt to make it seem like it is a long process in which he will have to figure out the complex process of absorption is really reaching and grasping at straws. I never said it will take miliseconds, but it will certainly be alot faster than superman going up to punch surfer since, surfer doesnt even have to be close to superman(or within cqc range) in order to absorb the energy and it can be done extremely quickly.

Actually it is invalid because whether or not its the best example of superman being drained is just irrelevant. Ruin is nowhere near surfers level in regards to energy manip (output,capacity,skilletc). And so to use superman resisting from a highly inferior energy manipulator to suggest that surfer will fail is completely faulty and has no bearings here.

Originally posted by Starscream M
it works in comics. that's how hulk always ends up holding his own against Thor even though thor has way more powers and Hulk only has his fists. Rulk even owned thor with just fists. so don't underestimate the power of the FIST!

.........And yet on this forum Thor annihilates hulk 10/10. Such occurrences that are obviously due to plot have absolutely no bearings on a KMC environment.

I like how people act as if Surfer using his more exotic abilities will take some significant amount of time. When he disrupted the internal energies of Vision, Wonder Man, and Jack of Hearts each time he did it with pretty much a wave of his hand. When he's drained the Hulk or his double he did it within a panel or two WHILE involved in melee combat. His transmutational abilities take all of about a sec to pull off, and forcefields likely go up even faster. But despite the rapid pace at which he can pull any of this stuff people want to act like Surfer's not going to "have time" because "Supes is going to fly up and hit him" despite Supes lacking even a single speed feat that marks his speed as a potential problem for someone with Surfer's reflex's.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I like how people act as if Surfer using his more exotic abilities will take some significant amount of time. When he disrupted the internal energies of Vision, Wonder Man, and Jack of Hearts each time he did it with pretty much a wave of his hand. When he's drained the Hulk or his double he did it within a panel or two WHILE involved in melee combat. His transmutational abilities take all of about a sec to pull off, and forcefields go up even faster just as quickly. But despite the rapid pace at which he can pull any of this stuff people want to act like Surfer's not going to "have time" because "Supes is going to fly up and hit him" despite Supes lacking even a single speed feat that marks his speed as a potential problem for someone with Surfer's reflex's.

Because this deserves to be posted again. 👆

Originally posted by Naija boy
Err....surfer will immediately sense the energy within superman. And what do u mean by come up with a way to absorb days worth of solar energy? Surfer is an energy absorber he will simply draw the energy out of him. Ur attempt to make it seem like it is a long process in which he will have to figure out the complex process of absorption is really reaching and grasping at straws. I never said it will take miliseconds, but it will certainly be alot faster than superman going up to punch surfer since, surfer doesnt even have to be close to superman(or within cqc range) in order to absorb the energy and it can be done extremely quickly.

Actually it is invalid because whether or not its the best example of superman being drained is just irrelevant. Ruin is nowhere near surfers level in regards to energy manip (output,capacity,skilletc). And so to use superman resisting from a highly inferior energy manipulator to suggest that surfer will fail is completely faulty and has no bearings here.

Surfer's withstood a pounding from Wonder Man, so there's no way Supes can ko him with just his fists since WM's the best example avalible of him taking punches...

Originally posted by Naija boy
.........And yet on this forum Thor annihilates hulk 10/10. Such occurrences that are obviously due to plot have absolutely no bearings on a KMC environment.

It's not PIS if it happens over and over again. Even in the recent animated movie, Mindless Hulk was easily overpowering Thor.

KMC members may not be happy with it, but the writers and editors DO intend that Hulk is at least on par, if not superior, to Thor in combat.

And in the end, that matters more imo than what KMC members hold to be true.

Originally posted by Starscream M
It's not PIS if it happens over and over again. Even in the recent animated movie, Mindless Hulk was easily overpowering Thor.

KMC members may not be happy with it, but the writers and editors DO intend that Hulk is at least on par, if not superior, to Thor in combat.

And in the end, that matters more imo than what KMC members hold to be true.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Actually if you look at the more updated rules, it's specifically noted that Thor will go all out and use his exotic abilities against the Hulk in a forum fight between the two. At least it was last time I checked.

Originally posted by Starscream M
It's not PIS if it happens over and over again. Even in the recent animated movie, Mindless Hulk was easily overpowering Thor.

KMC members may not be happy with it, but the writers and editors DO intend that Hulk is at least on par, if not superior, to Thor in combat.

And in the end, that matters more imo than what KMC members hold to be true.

This is quite ridiculous reasoning. If u actually read the rules u will see that on KMC characters like thor will use the fullest of his abilities to fight Hulk and hence him NOT doing it in a cartoon or due to the plot in comics is irreelvant.

The battles here are taking place within the KMC environment and hence the characters fight according to these rules. U cant simply ignore the rules and attempt to impose what u believe to be writers intentions thereby handicapping a particular character.

Originally posted by Starscream M
even if its not in character for him to do so in actual comics? then we're just debating powersets...not characters. I'll agree Surfer's powerset trumps Superman's powerset.

Put it this way, in high school I got really angry at this moron who was twice my size for talking shit and started hitting him with a text book. It only happened once because that set of circumstances never happened again, but I still showed that it was within my character for me to do that because I demonstrated the ability and inclination to do so.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Surfer's withstood a pounding from Wonder Man, so there's no way Supes can ko him with just his fists since WM's the best example avalible of him taking punches...

Originally posted by Starscream M
even if its not in character for him to do so in actual comics? then we're just debating powersets...not characters. I'll agree Surfer's powerset trumps Superman's powerset.

Its in character for him to use his exotic abilities in battles. However plot is what limits thor from doing what he has done against numerous others and thats what KMC rules prevents.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Its in character for him to use his exotic abilities in battles. However plot is what limits thor from doing what he has done against numerous others and thats what KMC rules prevents.

To argue that thor would use teleportation and antimatter blast against hulk would be to argue how Dr. Doom would fight hulk with thor's powers, defeating the purpose of a thor vs hulk battle.

and please don't say hulk hangs with thor just because he's popular. spiderman is popular as well, and you don't see marvel pitting spiderman against thor...thats because it wouldn't make sense.

Originally posted by Starscream M
but thor has fought hulk numerous times, and never ever resorted to exotic tactics. that means its unlikely the character would do so against a brawler like hulk...meaning its against his personality to do so.

To argue that thor would use teleportation and antimatter blast against hulk would be to argue how Dr. Doom would fight hulk with thor's powers, defeating the purpose of a thor vs hulk battle.

and please don't say hulk hangs with thor just because he's popular. spiderman is popular as well, and you don't see marvel pitting spiderman against thor...thats because it wouldn't make sense.

Originally posted by Starscream M
but thor has fought hulk numerous times, and never ever resorted to exotic tactics. that means its unlikely the character would do so against a brawler like hulk...meaning its against his personality to do so.

To argue that thor would use teleportation and antimatter blast against hulk would be to argue how Dr. Doom would fight hulk with thor's powers, defeating the purpose of a thor vs hulk battle.

and please don't say hulk hangs with thor just because he's popular. spiderman is popular as well, and you don't see marvel pitting spiderman against thor...thats because it wouldn't make sense.

Thor has used his exotic powers against bricks like hulk before. However against hulk in particular, marvels desire to promote them as equals causes writers to prevent him from using his exotic powers. This is plot induced stupidity.

To argue that thor would resort to exotic powers (eventually not necessarily from the get go) against hulk is simply arguing for thor operating free from the influence of plot.

Hulk does hang with thor mainly due to popularity and (im a big hulk fan). The spiderman comparison isnt applicable since spiderman isnt even within that range of power at all. Hulk however is on thors level in strength and durability and hence to even things out writers have thor abstain from using his other powers.

Originally posted by Starscream M
It's not PIS if it happens over and over again. Even in the recent animated movie, Mindless Hulk was easily overpowering Thor.

KMC members may not be happy with it, but the writers and editors DO intend that Hulk is at least on par, if not superior, to Thor in combat.

And in the end, that matters more imo than what KMC members hold to be true.

Starscream if your going to do a BZ why wouldn't you have it no weakness exploits? That seems like it would be more fair.. considering many factors...

Originally posted by Naija boy
Thor has used his exotic powers against bricks like hulk before.

Originally posted by Starscream M
like who? and which exotic powers did he use?

He has BFRed ulik,antigravity blasted superskrull,antiforce blasted mangog, Antiforce blasted a thanos clone,Used an uber oneshot ko lightning bolt on Durok, used wind lightning antiforce and all against the destroyer,godblasted and magic negated juggernaut, used a combination of lightning wind and energy blasts against wonderman etc

Originally posted by darthgoober
Spiderman has fought Thor(Masterson anyway) and damn near KO'd him. He's also fought the entire X-Men roster, Hulk, Juggernaught, Absorbing Man, Firelord, and the Silver Surfer. So yeah, popularity factors into it even when it happens over and over again.

That is why one just can't take any ol fight in comics as being valid.

Originally posted by lawest9
Supes weaknesses that are exploiterable are removed for these bloodlusted fights.

1. Captain Marvel without the magic weakness.

2. Silver Surfer without the red sun and krytonite weaknesses

3. Green Lantern (Hal) same as fight 2

This is current regular Superman, how does he fare in these battles?

Without magical weaknesses
1. This is an easy fight for Superman. Even if they are the same strength Superman has other extra powers.

2. IMO, SS would lose. Superman would take it to him physically.

3. Hal may win this if he is at his best. IDK about this one though.
All I know is that Superman can busted through his contructs I believe. If Hal duplicates himself multiple times then he easily wins.