Chaos Vincent and Sephiroth vs. Link and Ganondorf

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Big enough to weigh as much as many hundreds of air ships.

Thanks. This will give me a better opinion on the fight.

Its more than just TK (in a sense of concentration) that holds the castle in place. Its the mere influence of Ganondorf's will that holds it there. Even when he is defeated in the first part of the fight it still stays up.

I mean, the power surrounding the castle causes ripples in the lake of lava below the castle to infinitely spread outward, as well as clouds similar looking to the kind that Sephiroth summoned to encircle the castle indefinitely.
All of this, by Ganondorf's mere whim.

Actually Sephiroth never lifted the airship, Sephiroth stopped the thing that knocked it into the atmosphere.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Its the mere influence of Ganondorf's will that holds it there. Even when he is defeated in the first part of the fight it still stays up.

I highly doubt this is actually stated, by the sounds of it its not even Ganon doing it if after he is defeated it remains. Either Ganon used a spell of unkown cast time, properties and power or lift the castle permanently ages ago which persists even through his defeat/death OR its lifted by some other magic. Or its another random event that has no obvious reason behind it, that kind of thing cna be expected in fantasy fiction.

What 5L is refering to is the slight reality warping that Ganon does once he as the triforce. The overall change of Hyrule to being a darker and clearly damaged place is a fransformation that occurs once he gets the Triforce of power. What is stated is that he changed Hyrule.

The castle lifting is entirely seperate... As a side note, I think he may be making fun of the Sephiroth side of the debate, by using the classic Sephiroth mantra against them?

Wait a minute, Sephiroth can use the Black Materia to "pull" a Meteor out of space as stated in the Ultimania Omega. I realize it is only through the BM but it's still a result of TK from Sephiroth, a huge meteor has to be equal to a castle.

Space is a weightless environment.

You still have to take it into consideration because of it's mass.

The black materia isn't any form of TK, it summons the meteor.

No it doesn'y heres proof.

http://faqs.ign.com/articles/698/698416p1.html

And incase you don't feel like reading it all the way through here you go:

**The Black Materia: Meteor** (005.3A)
It is the Ultimate Destructive Magic; it calls to planets [-- meaning
meteor-like rocks --] drifting in outer space and pulls them down to the
Planet. It was one of the magicks given to the Ancients, but due to it
harnessing enough power to destroy the Planet itself, the Ancients feared it
could prove dangerous and sealed it away by their own hands.

it calls to

"it calls to" is figurative speach, it literally pulls the meteor out of space, because if you read about summons they are all forms of allusion.

So you have to take Meteor into consideration.

Again, weightless environment. It is insanely easier to move things.

No, Cosidering it's mass it would even have it's own gravitational pull. TK isn't all about what the object weighs, just because it is a weightless environment doesn't change the fact he moved something greater than Ganon.

It was one of the magicks given to the Ancients, but due to it
harnessing enough power to destroy the Planet itself, the Ancients feared it
could prove dangerous and sealed it away by their own hands.

It is TK because if it was a summon it would have left no visible damage to the earth itself. It doesn't matter if it isn't Sephiroths real power, he still has it so you have to take it into consideration, Once he achived it, it was then his power.

Not true.

1. The definition of summon is not the FF Illusion summon, I'm talking it calls to, brings to him, a meteor, because he used the black materia.
2. The black materia ONLY allows him to do this, and it took him a very long time to do.
3. The black materia was consumed when he did this.
4. Anyone could have done it. This does not mean that Ash Ketchum with black materia has TK.

It is a form of TK because it allowed him to pull it out of space, even says so in the book you can't argue with that. But just because it isn't his power doesn't mean he can't use it. It is like links MS. Same situation different item. Anyone could have used the MS. Get what im saying?

Anyone could have used the MS.

It is a form of TK because it allowed him to pull it out of space, even says so in the book you can't argue with that.

But just because it isn't his power doesn't mean he can't use it.