Chaos Vincent and Sephiroth vs. Link and Ganondorf

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
This is where I inform you that with the proper protection re-entry isn't that catastrophic, and bacteria do it all the time. Humans do it in rockets.

But remeber Jenova took the full force of the blast? I just can't see Ganons punch equaling that... How many joule do you think that would be? (Seriously i have no idea)

But remember north crater wasn't as big as it was 2000 years ago, because the planet repaired itself, in reality it was much bigger.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Also, not trying doesn't make me easier to kill. If I'm not trying, and you stab me, I'll die just the same as if I was. 😬

I get what you are saying but you got to realize we are talking about a shape-shifting planetary virus here and a demension-shifting being. Not humans, as you have said earlier fictional characters can take more of a beating. 🙂

But remeber Jenova took the full force of the blast? I just can't see Ganons punch equaling that... How many joule do you think that would be?

Also, if I remember right, the crater is actually much, much deeper and almost tunnel like later on due to her "infecting" it. So, what we do know, is not much, but that she was probably protected, or took a very long time to reform, then dug deeper, and was eventually put to sleep by the ancients.

I get what you are saying but you got to realize we are talking about a shape-shifting planetary virus here and a demension-shifting being. Not humans, as you have said earlier fictional characters can take more of a beating.

What we do know is that Sephiroth, whatever Jenova may have done, was put down by Cloud.

I still don't see how we can judge his durability even though it has never been put to it's max. In AC he was put down by cloud because he chose not to win.

She had to have still felt the impact... Even if only on a rock.
She borrowed into the north crater to get to the inside of the planet, she wasn't put to sleep by the ancients, she went into a sleep after infecting there race to stay in the lifestream.

I still don't see how we can judge his durability even though it has never been put to it's max. In AC he was put down by cloud because he chose not to win.

She had to have still felt the impact... Even if only on a rock.
She borrowed into the north crater to get to the inside of the planet, she wasn't put to sleep by the ancients, she went into a sleep after infecting there race to stay in the lifestream.

Still he technically choose not to win, he had the oportunity to but didn't. I'm sure if he wanted to continue the battle he would. After all he was using Kadaj's body during the time, which was completely unharmed afterwards. He even laughed at Cloud saying he would never be a memory. If he wanted to continue the battle he would have, he only left Kadaj's body by choice. If you even remember he disipated by choice. (You could just tell by the way he did it. Otherwise he would have just hit the ground and disapeared.)

You are right about the crater being deeper than it was, but it was supposed to be much bigger before the planet began repairing it, not just deeper.

But yes the ORIGINAL Sephiroth was killed by Cloud.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste

3. The black materia was consumed when he did this.
4. Anyone could have done it. This does not mean that Ash Ketchum with black materia has TK.

Where did you hear this?

Incorrect, it requires someone with immense power to use.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
which he promptly seals in the gap between dimensions

Haha, because he can do it at anytime to anyone whenever he wants.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
12734239370.157 joule <---I want you to consider a force of this level being applied to Sephiroth's body. It would be destroyed, if an Omnislash can do it, Ganon's fist sure as hell can. To say nothing of what it would do to Vincent... *cringe*

First: 12734239370.157 joule is less then 1 Megaton, which Sephiroth has survived (Jenova calamity).

Omnislash cannot be compared to Ganons fist, unless his fist goes through all defenses and knocks back will.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Well, given how little we know about it, it's impossible to say, what we do know is that the circumstances of it were hardly out of her control. Jenova "pilots" space rocks, it can be inferred through this that while the rock took the full force othe strike, she was protected.

Also, if I remember right, the crater is actually much, much deeper and almost tunnel like later on due to her "infecting" it. So, what we do know, is not much, but that she was probably protected, or took a very long time to reform, then dug deeper, and was eventually put to sleep by the ancients.

I get what you mean, but what I'm saying is how hard you try doesn't affect your durability.

What we do know is that Sephiroth, whatever Jenova may have done, was put down by Cloud.

Protected with what? Some kind of barrier? No Jenova hasn't ever had the ability to create a barrier. What we know is that Jenova survived a 30,000(Rounded much down) megaton equivalent explosion and Sephiroth is Jenova.

What the hell? Jenova never infected anything at that point. And the planet had been healing the crater over 2000 years, thus we can assume it healed the 'width' of the crater not the depth. ROFL There is no evidence of Jenova took any time to reform, it is said as if it happened on the same day. Why would she dig deeper?

The Cetra came to the crater and Jenova was there, Jenova nearly wipes out the entire Cetra race before it is defeated and sealed in the geological stratum. Again, they do not mention any time passing between crater impact and The Cetra finding it.

Put down by Cloud only via usage of Omnislash, which is not equal to any physical or magical attack that Ganon can do.

Originally posted by fortinbross
But yes the ORIGINAL Sephiroth was killed by Cloud.

This is in debate, Sqaure has changed it from Sephiroth jumping down to Cloud throwing him down to Sephiroth jumping down again. And even so, Sephiroth still wasn't killed.

Jenova only got deeper into the crater to get to the lifestream i know that for a fact. Everything else you have said is true and is stated in the Ultimania Omega.

Originally posted by fortinbross
Jenova only got deeper into the crater to get to the lifestream.

I have never heard of that before? Jenova landed on the planet, creating that massive Crater, then The Cetra came and found Jenova. When did she get the time to climb down to the Lifestream? And why?

Not really climbing to the lifestream, More or less trying to get to the source of the planets energy. Thats why the hole was so deep. As for how she had the time to get there... i have no idea. Il have to get back to you on that one. I think she completely abondoned the idea when nearly pushing the Centra to extiction.

Maybe your right though i will have to reread the Ultimania.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
I have never heard of that before? Jenova landed on the planet, creating that massive Crater, then The Cetra came and found Jenova. When did she get the time to climb down to the Lifestream? And why?

Turns out your right. 🙂 Reread the entire section, no idea where i got my idea from.

Originally posted by fortinbross
Not really climbing to the lifestream, More or less trying to get to the source of the planets energy. Thats why the hole was so deep.

I would say it is so deep because the impact of the meteor was insanely large. Which it survived.

Originally posted by fortinbross
Turns out your right. 🙂 Reread the entire section, no idea where i got my idea from.

Sweet, at least I am not going insane. 😛

So everything you said was a fact.

Why is Omnislash getting so much wank for?

"Omni" is equivalent to the words "all" or "many".
"Slash". It speaks for itself.

Now, I recognize the original Omnislash and Omnislash Version 5 from AC (which isn't canon, btw), and I don't remember seeing any proof that it bypasses defenses or paralyzes the target.

What I DO remember, is that both times it was used, Sephiroth stands there like a puss and lets Cloud clobber him with the most telegraphed attack in RPG gaming. There is just nothing there to support the claim that it makes the target unable to defend. If there is proof, I would like to hear it, please.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
What I DO remember, is that both times it was used, Sephiroth stands there like a puss and lets Cloud clobber him with the most telegraphed attack in RPG gaming. There is just nothing there to support the claim that it makes the target unable to defend. If there is proof, I would like to hear it, please.

The first time, it literally wasn't happening physically, it was Cloud fighting against Sephiroths control of him.

And it goes through defenses, such as when it goes through Sephiroths attempt to block.

Also, if we call it by it's original translated name: Super Ultimate War God Supreme Decapitation Slash it has nothing to do with many slashes 🙁 😕

Technically ACC is canon, even though there is no game of it, the events that occured in it did occur as you have references in both Dissidia and DoC which are both games.

It is a direct continuation of the timeline.

Also, who the hell said it paralysed anything?

Originally posted by K1ll3r
The first time, it literally wasn't happening physically, it was Cloud fighting against Sephiroths control of him.

And it goes through defenses, such as when it goes through Sephiroths attempt to block.

Also, if we call it by it's original translated name: Super Ultimate War God Supreme Decapitation Slash it has nothing to do with many slashes 🙁 😕

Technically ACC is canon, even though there is no game of it, the events that occured in it did occur as you have references in both Dissidia and DoC which are both games.

It is a direct continuation of the timeline.

Also, who the hell said it paralysed anything?

1. "Super" and "Supreme" in the same phrase? Wtf?

2. How many hundreds of attacks go through the simple raising of a weapon? Raising a weapon is not the same as defending, parrying, ect. All this proves is that Sephiroth is an incompetent swordsman for not stabbing Cloud in the face while he charges the attack.

3. Dissidia is about as canon as Smash Bros.

4. In an old thread someone once suggested that it paralyzes the target before impact. Fail.

Protected with what? Some kind of barrier? No Jenova hasn't ever had the ability to create a barrier. What we know is that Jenova survived a 30,000(Rounded much down) megaton equivalent explosion and Sephiroth is Jenova.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
She had to be protected somehow, since we also know characters like Cloud can hurt him. These two do not add up together. If Cloud and co can damage him and defeat both bizarro and seraph Sephiroth in FF7, it seems pretty obvious to me Sephiroth is not tanking any 30 megaton explosions.

Neither of those Sephiroth's you just mentions has the full power of jenova. 😐

Seraph Sephiroths weak arm had jenova's power behind it, Signifying that he had not yet full controll over her.

Jenova's crash was the equivalent of 30,000 megatons, with or without protection. (Read the Comentaries.)

Also, if we are not using Game Machanics, Omnislash was in reality suposed to be so fast no eye could see all the slashes, it mearly looks like a blur.
This was slowed down for obvious game engine reasons.
Tell me if you need me to find you a link too.

That argument holds no water. Cloud put him down in A.C., too. 😐

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Cloud put him down in A.C., too. 😐

But didn't Sephiroth only let him win? 😬

Actually no. He had every intention of killing Cloud, but was having too much fun playing with his food, rathe than killing it. Cloud pulled off an Omnislash and Seph got punked.