John McClane versus Rambo...

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Better shot that a man whom, with a snubnose 38, took out a phone cable from like 40 ft away...?
Faster/better shot than a man who drew a ducttaped pistol (from behind his shoulders, no less) and immediately headshotted one guy and caught the other guy while he was partially covered by a hostage...? Rambos more of a machine gun sprayer.

Oh hell yes, Rambo is a better shot.

Rambo is a better shot at much farther than 40 feet out, with a damn bow and arrow. He took out 4-5 guys, with his bow, alone. Every shot was a bullseye, cept for one...but it looks like he was setting up the dude to land on the mine. Each shot was greater than 100 feet. That was just with a bow and some arrows.

Rambo took out an entire boot of pirates in like, less than 2 seconds. He killed, and bullseyed like 7 dudes, with a handgun. Much faster than anything McClane every did.

Watch the last Rambo movie. In fact, watch all of them.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I totally agree that Rambo's physical fitness was better/sharper than McClane's ...

Yeah H2H is something that I'll have to take your word for, as its been ages since I watched these movies, and I largely remember most of Rambos action being shooting, stabbing kinda stuff.
And all that world class fort bragg training and stuff..?
McClane killed a couple of squads of those guys in DH2 alone.

Actually Rambo has needed luck. He wouldn't ever have made it out of that gourge in FB otherwise.

Youre also forgetting that Rambo fought an entire army, at once. Unlike McClane having to take them down, one at a time.

I'd say watch the Rambo flics again. Just the lastest Rambo has feats in it that trump all of McClane's.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh hell yes, Rambo is a better shot.

Rambo is a better shot at much farther than 40 feet out, with a damn bow and arrow. He took out 4-5 guys, with his bow, alone. Every shot was a bullseye, cept for one...but it looks like he was setting up the dude to land on the mine. Each shot was greater than 100 feet. That was just with a bow and some arrows.

Rambo took out an entire boot of pirates in like, less than 2 seconds. He killed, and bullseyed like 7 dudes, with a handgun. Much faster than anything McClane every did.

Watch the last Rambo movie. In fact, watch all of them.

Youre also forgetting that Rambo fought an entire army, at once. Unlike McClane having to take them down, one at a time.

I'd say watch the Rambo flics again. Just the lastest Rambo has feats in it that trump all of McClane's.

Um....Rambo took out 3 guys with a handgun in two seconds, not 7. And they were shitty pirates, Mac took out two terrorists with two well aimed shots. I'd say Mac's feat trumps Rambo's. The terrorists had their guns drawn, while the pirates had theirs slung/holstered.

Bow and arrow aren't the same as a gun.

Rambo fought the army while in his element, the jungle.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh hell yes, Rambo is a better shot.

Rambo is a better shot at much farther than 40 feet out, with a damn bow and arrow. He took out 4-5 guys, with his bow, alone. Every shot was a bullseye, cept for one...but it looks like he was setting up the dude to land on the mine. Each shot was greater than 100 feet. That was just with a bow and some arrows.

Rambo took out an entire boot of pirates in like, less than 2 seconds. He killed, and bullseyed like 7 dudes, with a handgun. Much faster than anything McClane every did.

Watch the last Rambo movie. In fact, watch all of them.

Youre also forgetting that Rambo fought an entire army, at once. Unlike McClane having to take them down, one at a time.

I'd say watch the Rambo flics again. Just the lastest Rambo has feats in it that trump all of McClane's.

Yeah Probably, McClane killed quite a few at the same time too.
And McClane never ran away for a quiet life to avoid the horror.

McClane kept his stuff coing in active service for longer.

A lot of McClane's feats of destruction would have killed Rambo too in Die Hards 1-4.0

Yeah Rambos pretty impressive, and one of the guys who wouldnt surprise me if he could at some point get a win in, but in this environment and Rambos' lack of camoflage to blend in with and other simlar factors'll probably make a difference.
It doesn't seem that Rambos even SEEN a skyscraper since the seventies real early eighties anyway.

Rambo IV was FULL of people dumbly running towards Rambo's big heavy caliber machine gun head on. Dumbasses.

You are right that I do need to rewatch the 1st three movies, though.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The gorge? You mean where he killed Galt, and got the arm scar?

Yes RJ. Thats the one.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It was through his abdomen. Front to back. That would include the side. But calling it just "the side" would greatly downnlay what actually happened there. It was not just a superficial graze. It was through his abdomen. Front to back.

Also, on reflection McClane was shot in the 1st Die Hard, at point where bloodloss would have been critical already through all that bloodloss after "Glassgate".... and he shot through himself to get the bad guy behind him in DH 4.0

[on the radio]
Hans Gruber: "Mr. Mystery Guest? Are you still there?"

John McClane: "Yeah, I'm still here. Unless you wanna open the front door for me."

Hans Gruber: "Uh, no, I'm afraid not. But, you have me at a loss. You know my name but who are you? Just another American who saw too many movies as a child? Another orphan of a bankrupt culture who thinks he's John Wayne? Rambo..* Marshal Dillon?"

John McClane: "Was always kinda partial to Roy Rogers actually. I really like those sequined shirts."

Hans Gruber: "Do you really think you have a chance against us, Mr. Cowboy?"

John McClane: "Yippee-ki-yay, motherfu*ker."

* "The in DH universe movie character Rambo played by the 'actor' (human and very damageable) Sylvester Stallone", you mean, Hans..? 😛

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yes RJ. Thats the one.

That's just me.

Sure thats true, I just didnt call it damage soak, I just said it involved some luck. 🙂

Yeah, he was lucky til he hit that one branch.

"Jeeeeesus!!!"

Then fell to the ground like a sack of bricks.

Doubtful Rambo would have lived past the first encounter with Karl, I dunno if he would have fit in the air ducts.

Poor Rambo, he'll never know what a TV dinner feels like.....

😂 Hahahaha

Thats actually pretty true.
Although if the branches hadnt broken his fall, Rambo's damage soak definitely would have failed him when he hit those rocks at the bottom.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
😂 Hahahaha

Thats actually pretty true.
Although if the branches hadnt broken his fall, Rambo's damage soak definitely would have failed him when he hit those rocks at the bottom.

Mind you we saw McClane surviving a virtually uncontrolled fall nearly as great as that in Die Hard 3, when falling from the bridge onto the ship.. a fall unbroken by trees of any kind, And as it happened, McLuck viciously savaged the man shooting at him and Zeus, by having that cable cut him in half too....

and like at times like jumping a hundred feet off fo the side of a building and slamming into glass and concrete before having to shoot/crash his way through said glass to regain entry into the building; McClane is better at surviving falling it would seem. 😛

So much for Rambo having higher damage soak.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah, he was lucky til he hit that one branch.

"Jeeeeesus!!!"

Then fell to the ground like a sack of bricks.

Doubtful Rambo would have lived past the first encounter with Karl, I dunno if he would have fit in the air ducts.

Poor Rambo, he'll never know what a TV dinner feels like.....

Dude, Stallone was like, 155 lbs, in the first Rambo film. Much smaller than McClane. I think he was pushing 180 during 1988 for Rambo III. I woudl put Willis around 170-175 for his role in Die Hard 1. Stallone would have easily fit.

However, Stallone turned down the role for John McClane because, "it would make me look like too much of a whiny wimp."

😆

Okay, Okay, I made that last part up, but Stallone did turn down the role for McClane. Aren't we glad he did? Willis would be a no name had he not done that.

Also, do you have video evidence of it only being 3 dudes? I couldn't find a vid. 3 sounds much too small.

Cant find a youtube vid.

Stallone's a very short man.

Rambo would fit in those ducts, but then he'd be in McClane's element.

I dunno, it looked like the tightest area was around Mac's shoulders.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I dunno, it looked like the tightest area was around Mac's shoulders.

Good point, Rambo is broad of shoulders.

Twas my point, sir.

Yeah even going for fitting the vent diagonally (one shoulder up, one down), thats one shaft Rambo wont be slide along so easily.

And as McClane is smart, and Rambo is.....is...........erm........
.......played by Sylvester Stallone, I cant see Rambo seeing that coming. Ergo: Rambo gets stuck in the vent, and McClane drives and SUV up where the sun doesnt shine.

Goodthing is, that once Karl and the others find Rambo's body, they'll probably assume that that was the guy they were looking for and McClane would then have an advantage of extra-surprisey surpise on his side.