Originally posted by Q'AniliaI didn't feel the need to go into a deep argument because everyone has said what I was going to say. I felt like a couldn't just post "Starkiller wins", so I just posted that.
You posted a link and a vague argument. I do not find that very constructive, especially since Starkiller never was our common personification of the Dark side of the Force.
Originally posted by Q'AniliaI see exactly what you mean and in the end it's just another way, BETTER way, for him to win the battle.
Kain would be thrown like a toy by Jedi far lesser than Starkiller. There are Younglings/Padawans that would throw him around like a rag-doll. He is not very heavy.
The thing with Starkiller and people arguing in his favor, something that bothers me, is his Star Destroyer feat. People look at Starkiller and thinks "He brought down a Star Destroyer, he is a God among ants" without looking at the whole picture. Many ignore the fact that he cubed an AT/ST, despite the fact that in a versus, that feat is so much more useful.In a versus, I much rather use his Farsight, his ability to dismantling his Lightsaber, his repulse ability, his Force Lightning and various other abilities. The fact that he pulled a Star Destroyer down from the sky shine so greatly among his feats, that people tend to forget what really makes a Jedi win a battle.
Many that debate for Starkiller and others, would not make good Jedi, because all they think about is his awesome raw power.
Kain is technically living dead, but that's again just bickering over details. The fact of the matter is that Kain has been physically defeated before and there is no saying he could not be again.
Galen's advantage lies in fighting Kain on his terms rather than Kain's. Sneaking around, attacking from behind or from the shadows and moves of the sort. But that is just when it comes to the throw of the saber, which is relatively fast if taking in consideration Kain's shown reaction time.
Force Crush is instant and with Kain lacking precognition or any way of properly tracking Starkiller, there is really no means of fighting him for Kain, which consequentially ends up with the fight being on Starkiller's terms.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
But no, Fay is much more potent than Galen, so what she has done is not within compare for him. Galen is both young and inexperienced, while Fay has centuries to fall back on, not taking in consideration her abnormal level of connection to the Force.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Kain is technically living dead, but that's again just bickering over details. The fact of the matter is that Kain has been physically defeated before and there is no saying he could not be again.Galen's advantage lies in fighting Kain on his terms rather than Kain's. Sneaking around, attacking from behind or from the shadows and moves of the sort. But that is just when it comes to the throw of the saber, which is relatively fast if taking in consideration Kain's shown reaction time.
Force Crush is instant and with Kain lacking precognition or any way of properly tracking Starkiller, there is really no means of fighting him for Kain, which consequentially ends up with the fight being on Starkiller's terms.
Kain has not been phyiscally defeated since having the sole reason he "should" be alive has been torn out, technically destroying his brain, an army, a leg would be irrelvent and unless the molecules of those piecies are completly destroyed through being atomised, kain should logically speaking be able to reform from this whole again.
Force crush instant? from the films I always believed it took a few moments or seconds for a force user to call upon enough strength to crush something, in the attack of clones (episode 2?) It seemed to take even master Yoda some control to lift that beam from falling on Obi and Anakin and it took some force of will to break rubble and piecies that were being sent at him. although "instant" is a strange word to use since in fiction most things take some time.
Originally posted by ares834
Fay got mortally wounded by Asajj... She stands no chance. Not to mention Marek's feats are completley out of her class.
Right, because the entire scenario was as simple as that. Ventress wounded Fay and that was it, outclassed and butchered. No further factions to take in consideration, no aspects you are missing. You have the battle all laid out. Ventress was so much better than Fay, Fay never stood a chance.
What was it you said? Oh yeah, "You are joking... Right???"
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Right, because the entire scenario was as simple as that. Ventress wounded Fay and that was it, outclassed and butchered. No further factions to take in consideration, no aspects you are missing. You have the battle all laid out. Ventress was so much better than Fay, Fay never stood a chance.What was it you said? Oh yeah, "You are joking... Right???"
Originally posted by ares834
Did I ever say Ventress outclassed her? No. She was still mortally wounded none the less. Marek has her completley outclassed in force ability and saber skills. No way she can take him.
Finally. I didn't think you'd catch on so quickly. Now let me ask you this in return to your question: Did I ever say Fay would defeat Starkiller?
*GASP!* Are you saying Fay is not as good as Starkiller at saber battle? Whatever gave you that idea? It can not possibly be the fact that Fay to our knowledge has never, ever wielded a lightsaber?
As for their Force potency, I wouldn't mind hearing you elaborating why Marek is so much superior Fay.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Finally. I didn't think you'd catch on so quickly. Now let me ask you this in return to your question: Did I ever say Fay would defeat Starkiller?
*GASP!* Are you saying Fay is not as good as Starkiller at saber battle? Whatever gave you that idea? It can not possibly be the fact that Fay to our knowledge has never, ever wielded a lightsaber?
As for their Force potency, I wouldn't mind hearing you elaborating why Marek is so much superior Fay.
Originally posted by ares834
A valid point. But you claim she is more potent which means more powerful.Yep. Which is why I said it.
HE can redirect a SD and block Sidious's lightning with out a saber! For as long as Yoda mind you.
1. Potent does not equal powerful. There is a significant difference.
2. Cute 😛
3. I will go ahead and act shocked you brought up his redirection of the Star Destroyer. So blocking Force Lightning makes him prominent in the Force, eh? I guess that makes Darth Maul God, who walks straight through Force Lightning.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
3. I will go ahead and act shocked you brought up his redirection of the Star Destroyer. So blocking Force Lightning makes him prominent in the Force, eh? I guess that makes Darth Maul God, who walks straight through Force Lightning.
I wrote an elaborate post yesterday but my computer crashed, so I will just post the brief version here:
- Absorbing Force Lightning is part of the general Force absorb ability, an ability shown to reoccur often enough to not be rare in Star Wars. Obi-Wan Kenobi has absorbed Force Lightning, and in Obi-Wan's own words, Fay was the most powerful of the group on Queyta, the group which included Obi-Wan.
And to my memory, Obi-Wan felt insignificant in their presence because they were all so much more powerful. Legends, while he was a mere master.