Sentry vs Thor

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Fine, I'll play along again.

1- People did claim that Sentry WAS LEAGUES away for people like Superman, Thor, SS and other. Why? because of ONE feat, just one. Just check the Superman vs Sentry thread.
2- Superman, Thor, SS and GL have consistent feat to put them on High Herald. That's what makes their weak, or very very high feats okay to accept. Sentry just has high, then low, then high, then low. In consistent and hard to accept which is correct

Your not debating a Fanboy, I don’t even like Blond F0cker to begin with. They can kill him off next issue, and my thoughts will be. "Maybe now would be a good chance to bring Genis back".

He has one really high feat, fantastic all top tiers are prone to have one. We are not going to base a fight off one feat. That so much I can agree on. Yet you cant deny his power set simply because he does not produce the same feat every other issue.

And really how often have do you read comics? Thor, and Sentry are not the only characters prone to the have high/low moments. If you actually read v2 Thor and Avengers, you will come to realize that Avengers Thor is clearly not portrayed as powerful as in his own series.

A plot device keeps him from acting as powerful, no different Sentry.

Originally posted by id369
Your not debating a Fanboy, I don’t even like Blond F0cker to begin with. They can kill him off next issue, and my thoughts will be. "Maybe now would be a good chance to bring Genis back".

He has one really high feat, fantastic all top tiers are prone to have one. We are not going to base a fight off one feat. That so much I can agree on. Yet you cant deny his power set simply because he does not produce the same feat every other issue.

And really how often have do you read comics? Thor, and Sentry are not the only characters prone to the have high/low moments. If you actually read v2 Thor and Avengers, you will come to realize that Avengers Thor is clearly not portrayed as powerful as in his own series.

A plot device keeps him from acting as powerful, no different Sentry.

With that said, my knowledge is limited, but it's offers a good insight on the characters. If you view Sentry as a high tier, or better yet, Superman's, Thor's, GLs, and SS level, then go ahead. I don't mind. I could make it an argument and we can start a new debate, but that's not what this argument is about. It's about what Tkitna said in a previous thread, and how he is completely saying something different in order to suit his character. You trying to compare Thor's rather weird shows doesn't weaken what I said, in fact, it has nothing to do with what I said. I don't see how it it does.

As for Sentry, you seem to try and compare his failed attempts at being a consistent character with Thor, but it's not comparable. At least not to me. Do you really think Sentry is at the same level as he was portrayed in DA12? Is Thor the same level as he usually is portrayed? Perhaps not, but keep this is mind, it's not a huge drop compared to what happened to Sentry.

Well I don't know about being leagues away.
In supe v sent I said in a regular knc fight superman gets a tecnical knockout... However it would be impossible for superman to defeat a sentry who can bring himself back from matter manipulation destruction like by Morgan and by mm

I truly think the argument was originally that superman was the one who was leagues above sentry for years despite what he's done and now the recent comics having verified the type o powers he has has moved sentry up to th possible high heralds.... Whereas some sounded off as though he was a low herald at best.

As to the scans... The strongest hero is Aleta distracted or is always bfred to allow the dark avengers a chance to fight...

I'm not currently a sentry fan either.... But I respect the powerset.

And the problem is that in a knc fight we take a charcter at their best... Which for sentry is bringing himself back to life... Fighting the enemies that defeated entire teams...

Overloading absorbing man when he absorbed the power of Thor.. Quasar etc

Is it just me or is everyone in the mood to argue tonight besides me?

That is complete and utter bullshit. Practically every character who appears in more than one book has his/her power and abilities depicted differently by different writers. To claim otherwise is a statement of such massive ignorance it boggles the mind. Superman, as only one example, has shown speed and reflexes on par with the Flash and sufficient enough to make himself practically intangible in some appearances, and yet Solomon Grundy and other bricks are still able to punch him.

Says who? You? Don't make me laugh. Everyone who has read comics at any point over the last 80 years can point out numerous instances where characters' powers/abilities have been portrayed inconsistently from one appearance to the next and where certain characters have jobbed to a more popular one or for the sake of a plot-line. It happens all the time to countless characters. Why you are so determined to hold this only against the Sentry is beyond me.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Is it just me or is everyone in the mood to argue tonight besides me?

No, it's not BS, DS, or anything other shit. It's what the writers do. Take a long at Superman. Yeah, he isn't written on the EXACT same level as every writer. Sure, he is stronger with some authors like Loeb(I think) who wrote OWAW, and the one writing WONK, but it's not the same to what's happening to Sentry. One minute, he can take on a being considered much stronger then HH easily. Without evening breaking a sweat. This puts him even stronger then what MM is considered especially how easily he wins. Right?? Now, next showing, he is back to getting beat by HH putting back to what I consider his normal level(MH). That doesn't happen to Superman, or Thor much, right? When do you see Superman nearly as powerful as Skyfather, perhaps even higher and then going down back to your normal levels. If that isn't considered an amp, pr a different version, then I don't know what is.

Because Sentry is that kind of character, and it's not going to change easily. He is a plot device

Actually, Sentry's plight is not unique to Sentry.

The reason he seems inconsistent is because he's a relatively new herald level character and he interacts with both weak meta and high heralds. Just like thor became impotent whenever he fought alongside Avengers and became godlike when he fought more powerful foes alone.

Look at another new character: Rulk. He's also wildly inconsistent, one minute he's pwning thor and watcher, the next moment, he gets herbed by Wolverine.

Sentry is no more a plot device than any other character. the reason for his inconsistency is that he has a short history so writers have more freedom to mold him to their purposes.

Originally posted by tkitna
😆

I knew the Sentry haters were going to jump all over this. Lets just wait and see what happens in the next few issues when they really fight.

Shouldn't we also wait to see what comes of him discovering his powers before we annoint him the next uber-power in Marvel?

It's not like the only thing he did was beat a weaker version of MM, amirite?

Originally posted by Starscream M
Actually, Sentry's plight is not unique to Sentry.

The reason he seems inconsistent is because he's a relatively new herald level character and he interacts with both weak meta and high heralds. Just like thor became impotent whenever he fought alongside Avengers and became godlike when he fought more powerful foes alone.

Look at another new character: Rulk. He's also wildly inconsistent, one minute he's pwning thor and watcher, the next moment, he gets herbed by Wolverine.

Sentry is no more a plot device than any other character. the reason for his inconsistency is that he has a short history so writers have more freedom to mold him to their purposes.

This is what JQ had to say about Sentry after Siege #1.

Nothing new but they will use the Sentry in Siege.

It'll probably be one spectacular release of energy the likes of which have never been seen, only to have Thor absorb it all into Mjolnir.

😂

Hopefully, he goes out with a bang

Rulk is not to be taken serious at all, hes a joke.

His full of surprises. I stopped reading it after the incident with SS. Too much surprises lol

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I thought Sentry was all powerful now??? 😂

Originally posted by xJLxKing
For a guy that can "totally" control other people's molecules, and regenerate from anything, he should be able to stop high tiers

You seem to be picking and choosing while dismissing the simple and obvious here. These characters don't just use their most powerful/effective abilities over and over again. They will lose without resorting to them. It's how to create drama in a story.

Take hp for instance. DD was tearing up apokolips and all Ds wanted to do was get him off his planet. Did he bfr him? No. Does that change his natural abilities? Nope.

Try to use your head every once and a while and show us you understand the nature of the game here.

Originally posted by shokosugi
Sentry is REGULARLY portrayed as a weak and pathetic character. DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS????? 😠 😠 😠

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Why are people going back to that lame "Thor has been around longer than Sentry" argument?

You want people to give an educated response to a thread you make, they can only work with what's given.

Comparing someone's best showings with a character without a main book to a character with over 40 years of showings in a main book is laughable.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Until Sentry is written at a consistent high level he will lose to characters that are HH and above.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Rulk is not to be taken serious at all, hes a joke.

A serious joke. 😮

Originally posted by The Nuul
They dont want to understand...

Originally posted by TheKahn
Simply because some people think you holding the Sentry up to hypocritical standards you don't apply to your favored characters, doesn't make them fanboys.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Fine, I'll play along again.

1- People did claim that Sentry WAS LEAGUES away for people like Superman, Thor, SS and other. Why? because of ONE feat, just one. Just check the Superman vs Sentry thread.
2- Superman, Thor, SS and GL have consistent feat to put them on High Herald. That's what makes their weak, or very very high feats okay to accept. Sentry just has high, then low, then high, then low. In consistent and hard to accept which is correct

His low showings are explained away due to his fear of losing control hence the reason why Sentry going all out is a monster compared to Sentry afraid of losing it.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Shouldn't we also wait to see what comes of him discovering his powers before we annoint him the next uber-power in Marvel?

It's not like the only thing he did was beat a weaker version of MM, amirite?

All I see are haters scared to death of the character and trying at every turn to hate on him for no apparent reason other than a bias against the character.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Rulk is not to be taken serious at all, hes a joke.

Just read a short preview of Hulk #19. Looks like Ben is going to do a pretty good job on Rulk.

Originally posted by TheKahn
[b]It happens all the time to countless characters. Why you are so determined to hold this only against the Sentry is beyond me.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Do you have a single example of a character dropping from killing someone who hovers around Abstract to be taken out by the Human Torch?

Originally posted by Starscream M
Rulk took out Watcher and got taken out by Wolverine. 😐

This is a far cry from the incidents where Thor and Superman rise to the occasion and beat someone a notch up on the tier list.