Originally posted by TrackzThor just has returned to comics after taking a long vacation. We know he isn't dying or taking another vacation again due to his long history and common sense.
main characters aren't killed off a lot, but Punisher, Blade (killed and brought back), Batman(at least seemingly killed), Superman, Kitty Pryde and other X-men have died in their team book, the fact is it isn't unheard of.
Originally posted by Allankles
Essentially you're bringing up low feats. Thor can't beat Thanos, I guess I should hold that against him as Supes has beaten Darkseid who with avatars or not is a being with more powers than Thanos.Remember also that Darkseid has gotten the better of Supes more times than most people in comics and most of those were post crisis, so it's not like their conflict has ever been one sided.
At least give a few examples of the type of characters that Thor beats that Superman has trouble with without mentioning Cpt. Marvel sucker punching Supes that one time, or some one time JLA villain. Remember also that Supes has single handendly wrecked demon lords and their realms.
Darkseid aint nothing, Thanos should crush darkseid and easily due to his recent showings.
You cant always throw everything off as low showings when its the norm but I dont mind answering that question for you.
Despero has one shotted Superman and he did it easily. Thor has faced mangog and held his own. Mangog>Despero.
Titus has one shotted Superman and I'm not talking about his first fight when he one shotted Supes with his hammer, I'm talking about his second fight when he one shotted both Supes and wonder woman and tied them up with the lasso. Thor has faced the destroyer and fair pretty well against him without getting one shotted (this is classic thor that I'm talking about) and he has also face mastero hulk and mindless hulk and has been pimp slapped by galactus that sent him hurling out of space and has been slapped by celestials without dropping.
Konvikt knocked the f*** out of him and I cant see anything like that happening to Thor and the thing about it was, the Konvikt that pimp slapped him wasnt even fully charged.
Now I have a question for you. You say that bor wont be able to take Superman out with physical might due to all the things that Superman has went through (even though majority of it, you are adding crap to it)? So does that include Darkseid also? I guess since Superman has survived and supposedly went through all of this and has all of these feats, Darkseid punches mean sh** to him. Superman can brush them off.
Originally posted by quanchi112who said dying had to be taking a vacation? look at punisher or captain america, there are stories to be told in death and resurrection, again thats beside the point.
Thor just has returned to comics after taking a long vacation. We know he isn't dying or taking another vacation again due to his long history and common sense.
Originally posted by Trackz
the common sense being used here is coming i nthe form of ABC logic, which is plain wrong.If the common belief is that Bor=OF Thor, then a OF Thor vs. Superman would be better. based on feats though superman has been hit and has dished out hits that generated more force than those in Thors fight, he is also significantly faster.
This is why sometimes you have to use abc logic/commons sense as long as the comic supports it.
Odin, Galactus and others have not had the collateral damage lik Supers or Thor.
Yes thor does have feats on par with superman not trying to belittle you but it is clear that your are just not too familar with Thor.
We have seen Thor hit celetrials cause mountains sides to crumble
We seen him fight on the moon and destroy it by collateral damage.
We have seen OFThor damage Captain american's sheild and in on shwoing destroying it something Superman wouldn't be able too do
And there are plenty of others
Originally posted by TrackzThat's actually a valid point. None of this sidestepping you have managed to do takes away from the fact a more powerful character than Superman barely beat him. Classic Thor has no chance and likewise superman has no chance because he lacks the power of (of) Thor or of even classic Thor.
who said dying had to be taking a vacation? look at punisher or captain america, there are stories to be told in death and resurrection, again thats beside the point.
Originally posted by Trackz
few popular characters die forever in comics, I'm saying it's not impossible to think that Thor could be killed by an opponent in his own comic.
Who do you think is stronger, Sun dipp Superman or Regular Superman and explain why?
Who do you think is stronger, Superman Prime or Superboy Prime, and explain why?
Answer this, do you think Wonder woman would give thor a fight because going by feats, thor should one shot her in one panel?
Who do you think would win, Hulk or Juggernaut because going by feats, hulk should be able to one shot Juggernaut almost every time since juggs rarely even show up in comics?
Originally posted by DarkOdinwell actually galactus and odin to have feats that eclipse both thor and superman
This is why sometimes you have to use abc logic/commons sense as long as the comic supports it.Odin, Galactus and others have not had the collateral damage lik Supers or Thor.
Yes thor does have feats on par with superman not trying to belittle you but it is clear that your are just not too familar with Thor.
We have seen Thor hit celetrials cause mountains sides to crumble
We seen him fight on the moon and destroy it by collateral damage.
We have seen OFThor damage Captain american's sheild and in on shwoing destroying it something Superman wouldn't be able too do
And there are plenty of others
and I'm not that's why Im not really calling a winner, but thor has never been one to speedblitz people, that's really the only reason I see superman beating him (superman also has more skill IMO), we've seen superman destroy a planet with the shockwave of his punches
and again denting captain america's shield is an ambiguous feat, there's no real proof that superman couldn't do it.
Originally posted by Trackz
the common sense being used here is coming i nthe form of ABC logic, which is plain wrong.If the common belief is that Bor=OF Thor, then a OF Thor vs. Superman would be better. based on feats though superman has been hit and has dished out hits that generated more force than those in Thors fight, he is also significantly faster.
Show me these hits besides hyperbole. Thor has hit someone so hard that it destroyed a moon.
Why would Supes be equal to odin force thor if classic thor feats is either on par or above Supes?
Originally posted by TrackzAnd also have been shown to be well above these characters. It isn't on feats alone we decide these matchups. That's the problem you are running into here.
well actually galactus and odin to have feats that eclipse both thor and supermanand I'm not that's why Im not really calling a winner, but thor has never been one to speedblitz people, that's really the only reason I see superman beating him (superman also has more skill IMO), we've seen superman destroy a planet with the shockwave of his punches
and again denting captain america's shield is an ambiguous feat, there's no real proof that superman couldn't do it.
Originally posted by Trackz
comparing skyfather beings to common heroes is a horrible comparison.
Ok, let me make it better for ya. Superman has better feats that Doomsday. Superman has better feats than Despero. Titus stared in one comic and Superman has better feats than him. Superman has better feats than Konvikt. Superman has better feats than an amped Konvikt. Supers has better feats than Amazo. Supes has better feats than Captain Marvel. Supes has better feats than Blue Superman. Supes has better feats than imperex. The list goes one.
Bor is a sky father, what are you talking about.
Originally posted by quanchi112do we know how much more powerful OF Thor is? has he done things that Thor could never do (leaving ambiguous fights out). I'm not saying in a comic the winner wouldn't be clear cut, Maybe in a comic OF Thor would make short work of superman, but forum fight go by feats, and they should.
That's actually a valid point. None of this sidestepping you have managed to do takes away from the fact a more powerful character than Superman barely beat him. Classic Thor has no chance and likewise superman has no chance because he lacks the power of (of) Thor or of even classic Thor.
Originally posted by Trackz
well actually galactus and odin to have feats that eclipse both thor and supermanand I'm not that's why Im not really calling a winner, but thor has never been one to speedblitz people, that's really the only reason I see superman beating him (superman also has more skill IMO), we've seen superman destroy a planet with the shockwave of his punches
and again denting captain america's shield is an ambiguous feat, there's no real proof that superman couldn't do it.
You see, this is why I know you know nothing of any of these characters. Superman didnt cause shockwaves to destroy a planet. You are talking about his fight with Zod. Zod and Superman was connected to the planet. Each punch that was thrown towards each other and every time blood was spilled, the planet crumble.
Thats why Superman thought it was the end, he thought that was his last fight (Even though he survived).
How about you read the comics instead of looking at the pictures.
Originally posted by Trackz
do we know how much more powerful OF Thor is? has he done things that Thor could never do (leaving ambiguous fights out). I'm not saying in a comic the winner wouldn't be clear cut, Maybe in a comic OF Thor would make short work of superman, but forum fight go by feats, and they should.
Yes, he did something that classic thor couldnt do. He tanked a blast from the destroyer without even feeling it. The same blast that killed his classic counterpart.
Read on the characters before debating against them.
Originally posted by TrackzNo, they do not just go by feats. That's a horrible way to debate. We compare characters into how they match up and then factor in their abilities along with feats.
do we know how much more powerful OF Thor is? has he done things that Thor could never do (leaving ambiguous fights out). I'm not saying in a comic the winner wouldn't be clear cut, Maybe in a comic OF Thor would make short work of superman, but forum fight go by feats, and they should.
OF Thor is more powerful than classic Thor. Classic Thor is a beast when it comes to power and beyond Superman so there you have it.
Originally posted by quanchi112Bor isn't like galactus or odin though, I understand what you're saying, but i'm not exactly sure such a system works well in a forum environment. it makes the whole thing kind of useless when you think about it. basically i could bring all the feats to the table but they wouldn't matter because some people have the notion that Bor is simply above anything Superman could do.
And also have been shown to be well above these characters. It isn't on feats alone we decide these matchups. That's the problem you are running into here.
Originally posted by quanchi112what has OF Thor done to suggest he is above superman? Or rather what has the power boost allow him t odo that his classic version wouldn't have been able to do?
No, they do not just go by feats. That's a horrible way to debate. We compare characters into how they match up and then factor in their abilities along with feats.OF Thor is more powerful than classic Thor. Classic Thor is a beast when it comes to power and beyond Superman so there you have it.