Infinity Gauntlet Vs. Cosmic Armor

Started by Mr Master91 pages

Originally posted by Zeuodin

You'd be better of showing us feats outside of the UN one that make the IG multiversal.


Again? ... Are ya serious? 😛

Fine.

Again it is:

So basically you're gonna ignore that Eternity 616, being the core of everything,
contains the power that sustains everything?

That's Roma, claiming 616 Eternity contains the Omniverse.

IS THIS TRUE?

Heck yea it's true, we saw Dormy actually witness it on panel:

And we've seen Dr Strange witness 616 Eternity's power just by his presence:

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Thanos/IG stomped in one move
Eternity (who holds whole UniverseS in one hand - past present & future)
Eternity (who kills & gives birth to UniverseS all day, who can re-make all UniverseS)
Eternity (lord of all that is)

Imo, stomping Multiversal power => Multiversal or more.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Again? ... Are ya serious? 😛

Fine.

Again it is:

So basically you're gonna ignore that Eternity 616, being the core of everything,
contains the power that sustains everything?

That's Roma, claiming 616 Eternity contains the Omniverse.

IS THIS TRUE?

Heck yea it's true, we saw Dormy actually witness it on panel:

And we've seen Dr Strange witness 616 Eternity's power just by his presence:

--------------------------------------------

Thanos/IG stomped in one move
Eternity (who holds whole UniverseS in one hand - past present & future)
Eternity (who kills & gives birth to UniverseS all day, who can re-make all UniverseS)
Eternity (lord of all that is)

Imo, stomping Multiversal power => Multiversal or more.

👆

Originally posted by Mr Master
Again? ... Are ya serious? 😛

Fine.

Again it is:

So basically you're gonna ignore that Eternity 616, being the core of everything,
contains the power that sustains everything?

That's Roma, claiming 616 Eternity contains the Omniverse.

IS THIS TRUE?

Heck yea it's true, we saw Dormy actually witness it on panel:

And we've seen Dr Strange witness 616 Eternity's power just by his presence:

--------------------------------------------

Thanos/IG stomped in one move
Eternity (who holds whole UniverseS in one hand - past present & future)
Eternity (who kills & gives birth to UniverseS all day, who can re-make all UniverseS)
Eternity (lord of all that is)

Imo, stomping Multiversal power => Multiversal or more.

Mr. Master just pwned!!

^ Galactus performed surgery on 616 Eternity. That doesn't mean he performed surgery on Multi-Eternity or the entire Marvel Multiverse. Thanos became the 616 universe with the Cosmic Cube also. That doesn't mean the Cosmic Cube is multiversal either.

Thanos taking 616 Eternity's spot in this reality, this sphere, this universe, singular, doesn't mean he just performed a multiversal feat.

Reverse-projecting multiversal relevance through wordplay and conflating terms = 👇.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Galactus performed surgery on 616 Eternity. That doesn't mean he performed surgery on Multi-Eternity or the entire Marvel Multiverse. Thanos became the 616 universe with the Cosmic Cube also. That doesn't mean the Cosmic Cube is multiversal either.

Thanos taking 616 Eternity's spot in this reality, this sphere, this universe, singular, doesn't mean he just performed a multiversal feat. Reverse-projecting multiversal relevance through wordplay and conflating terms = 👇

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0

^ Galactus performed surgery on 616 Eternity.
That doesn't mean he performed surgery on Multi-Eternity or the entire Marvel Multiverse.


There's no such thing as "multi" Eternity, that was Captain Universe nicknaming "All of Eternity"
and the center of the power contained withIN "All of Eternity" is withIN 616 Eternity.

That aside, Galactus was dealing with the prime Eternity and all that comes with that.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Thanos became the 616 universe with the Cosmic Cube also.
That doesn't mean the Cosmic Cube is multiversal either.


Why not? Perhaps at that time it was.

Since way back it only took two Cosmic Cubes
to inevitably cause the destruction of the Multiverse:

Heck, Kubik even states that only a power of his equal can stop another Cube being. (above)

And we did note that when Owen and Beyonder fought as Cube Beings,
they re-arranged and sundered realities across the Omniverse.

Anywho, I have proof (on panel)
of a single Cube being used to give every villain/hero of an alternate Universe,
their own Cosmos to meet out their dreams as Gods of their own Reality.

Let me know.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Thanos taking 616 Eternity's spot in this reality, this sphere, this universe, singular, doesn't mean he just performed a multiversal feat.


Yes, "this reality, this sphere, this universe"

Refers to This Reality/This Sphere/This Universe and This Eternity:

Originally posted by Mr Master

616:

"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL this -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,

the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,
I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the UniverseS
"

.......................................................................

616 Eternity: (same as above)

Eternity is Time incarnated ...

When he raises a Hand which holds whole universeS withIN it,

Past Present and Future"


Originally posted by Mr Master

Reverse-projecting multiversal relevance through wordplay and conflating terms .


Whatever.

You're willfully ignoring on panel art and character statements/depictions,
which is further supported by official Marvel handbooks,
and official Marvel sites:

Marvel.com states the Infinity Gauntlet grants,

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gauntlet_%28item%29

Powers: "Absolute Omnipotence when the Gems are used altogether"

(this we know is beneath the LT, or reasonably any power that equals or surpasses the LT)

Originally posted by Mr Master

Marvel.com states the Infinity Gauntlet grants,

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gauntlet_%28item%29

[B]Powers: "Absolute Omnipotence when the Gems are used altogether"

(this we know is beneath the LT, or reasonably any power that equals or surpasses the LT) [/B]

Absolute Omnipotence. You mean the IG is Omniversal then? And LT is > Absolute Omnipotency? What is more powerful, the HOTU or the absolutely Omnipotent IG?

Originally posted by Mr Master
There's no such thing as "multi" Eternity, that was Captain Universe nicknaming "All of Eternity" and the center of the power contained withIN "All of Eternity" is withIN 616 Eternity.

That aside, Galactus was dealing with the prime Eternity and all that comes with that.

Not really. My interpretation accepts that there can be a representation of only the 616-Universe, while your interpertation threatens to destroy the distinction between 616 Eternity (who represents one universe, the 616-Universe) and Multi-Eternity (who represents the multiverse, all universes within the multiverse) by conflating the terms.

616 Galactus did not perform a multiversal surgery. 😐

Originally posted by Mr Master
Why not? Perhaps at that time it was.

Since way back it only took two Cosmic Cubes
to inevitably cause the destruction of the Multiverse:

Heck, Kubik even states that [b]only a power of his equal can stop another Cube being. (above)

And we did note that when Owen and Beyonder fought as Cube Beings,
they re-arranged and sundered realities across the Omniverse.

Anywho, I have proof (on panel) of a single Cube being used to give every villain/hero of an alternate Universe, their own Cosmos to meet out their dreams as Gods of their own Reality.

Let me know.[/b]

Not really. Thanos became the universe with the Cosmic Cube. On-panel. Not the entire multiverse.

I will let you know that reaching out for other stories (even beyond the ones you've already grasped at) does not counter-balance the wealth of references to one universe, singular, within the actual story we're dealing with, Infinity Gauntlet. I don't need to cherry-pick throw-away lines, conflate terms in handbook entries, or project anything onto Infinity Gauntlet to read it and understand that it dealt with the 616-Universe. It's obvious. Ockham's Razor. Simple answer is very likely the right answer.

And I know Paradise X well. The Cosmic Cube shards when ingested created pocket "universes/realms" contained within that alternate universe. That wasn't a multiversal feat either. And it has nothing to do with whether the IG is multiversal.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're willfully ignoring on panel art and character statements/depictions, which is further supported by official Marvel handbooks, and official Marvel sites:

Marvel.com states the Infinity Gauntlet grants,

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gauntlet_%28item%29

[B]Powers: "Absolute Omnipotence when the Gems are used altogether"

(this we know is beneath the LT, or reasonably any power that equals or surpasses the LT) [/b]

Great. Now we're using websites on top of using purple prose. Try sticking within the four corners of the pages of Infinity Gauntlet.

Another oxymoron. It's beneath the LT, or any power that equals or surpasses the LT? That doesn't make sense. Neither does holding out the manipulation of a small sphere of nullification energy as being a multiversal feat. And I'll now assume you agree that Thanos and In-Betweener helped Warlock.

Did Mr. Master just say that the Cosmic Cube is Multiversal?frusty

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Did Mr. Master just say that the Cosmic Cube is Multiversal?frusty

Molecule man and beyonder are cosmic cubes and when they were fighting they were effecting shit on a trans-multiversal level

Cubes are multi-universal.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Cubes are multi-universal.

that's what i thought. glad to know i'm correct

multi-universal isn't multiversal. It means a cube can affect more than one universe within a multiverse.

i see

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Did Mr. Master just say that the Cosmic Cube is Multiversal?frusty

You would know that they are if you read onpost-retcon MM and beyonder's fight. Anyways no one on this site knows more about marvel cosmics that Mr.master

Cubes aren't multiversal.

Originally posted by galactusischere
You would know that they are if you read onpost-retcon MM and beyonder's fight. Anyways no one on this site knows more about marvel cosmics that Mr.master

There's knowledge and then there's understanding. Mr Master knows a lot but his understanding is pretty poor.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Cubes aren't multiversal.

Beyonder and MM were shaking the omniverse.. weren't they? or was that the multi-verse?

Originally posted by galactusischere
Beyonder and MM were shaking the omniverse.. weren't they? or was that the multi-verse?

I doubt it was the omniverse. And Odin's death vibrated through the multiverse, is Odin a multiversal being now?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I doubt it was the omniverse. And Odin's death vibrated through the multiverse, is Odin a multiversal being now?

The Odin incident was caused by horrible horrible writting.
But the real per-retcon MM is considered to be more powerful than Galactus.