Infinity Gauntlet Vs. Cosmic Armor

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Its stated to be able to adapt to anything including the utlimate threat. It could adapt to anything the IG could throw at it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It isn't "spoon-fed." It's obvious. Try not to flip-flop your own positions to suit your arguments because you corner yourself into an inanity. Suggesting that the UN destroyed and recreated the Marvel Multiverse is my opinion only is pure comedy. This is absolutely false. And you contradict this falsity later on in the very same post.No, you don't get it. None of this has anything to do with whether a UN user can beat an IG user. I've said this no less than a dozen times. So have other people. Your endless attempts to straw-man me doesn't work. It's never worked. And it's painfully obvious because you've failed at it time and time again. None of this has anything to do with whether a UN user can beat an IG user for the umpteenth time. Repainting my argument into something more convenient to tackle because you can't confront my true argument is a straw-man and a logical fallacy.

LT was never threatened by the IG. Ever. Snap of the fingers. On-panel. Representative of forces that dwarfed the IG's might. On-panel. Ignoring that doesn't remedy the huge gaping holes in your argument. It just highlights another unfailing weakness in your posts.Yes, the UN demonstrated greater power. It doesn't matter if the IG never attempted it. It never matched it. Don't try to use a negative proof fallacy on me. Just because I can't prove that the IG can never destroy, then recreate the multiverse in a blink because no IG user ever tried it does not upset the obvious factual comparison between what the UN and IG have actually done. Superman never tried to snap his fingers and kill half the universe. Nobody suggests that somehow throws Superman vs the IG into question. Another logical fallacy.

And here you literally contradicted your very own false statement from the beginning of your post. Don't even pretend like you've got a leg to stand on. "Real proof?" I have no idea what could possibly constitute "real proof" to someone who [b](i) lies (and later contradicts that falsity in the very same post), (ii) repeatedly attempts to straw-man, (iii) conveniently ignores on-panel proof, (iv) uses negative proof fallacies, and (v) flip-flops his own positions in the very same thread when cornered. What could possibly constitute "real proof" to you? A handbook entry? A writer's interview? Holding your hand through multiple scanned panels? You can't even accept such explanatory posts by someone you formerly agreed with on this very issue. Your "simple" request presumes that you will respect logic over ignorance and a proffering of proof over the absence of proof. Your behavior in this thread literally makes this an acutely impossible request. [/B]

The ig never attempted said feat so you really don't have anything. The fact of the matter is the ig easily blinked out half the universe's population with a mere thought. So you don't see it being able to reset the universe?

Snap of his finger also undid his display of power which isn't anywhere near what an all out ig user was capable of. Eternity even commented that it wouldn't have brought him to his knees in a true battle.

The lt hesitated and it's common sense that to destroy an entire reality in the process of defeating someone is a threat to you.

Superman also doesn't have the complete mastery over the aspects the ig does. Your logic is almost pitiful. Comparing the ig and what it's been seen capable of to Superman let alone blanking out half the universe with a mere thought. Wow.

A simple statement on panel stating the multiverse or a writer stating as such. You need to calm down and either back up your case or realize not everyone takes your interpretations as facts.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ It's been brought up before. Magus could have used the Space Gem and imposed Quasar onto the sphere. Magus could have used the Mind Gem to make Quasar fire it on himself. Magus could have used the Power Gem and increased the nullification's sphere so that it engulfed Quasar. It's never clear and ultimately, it doesn't matter. Even assuming it took control of the UN's energies, it provides absolutely no proof that the IG is greater than the UN. Which is why nobody really cares to argue the point. Of course I did. Because I provided you very direct analogies to debunk your reasoning. The handgun vs rocket launcher analogy is to illustrate that User A can still beat User B and have a less powerful weapon. Therefore, victory by the user, in and of itself, does not presume greater power in the weapon.

I then provided you analogies to cover your attempted twisting of the handgun vs rocket launcher analogy. We all know in real life, no handgun can make a rocket launcher fire on itself. Unless the bullet were to damage it such that it makes the rocket launcher explode. In that case, it still doesn't make the gun more powerful than the rocket launcher. But we all know what you're trying to do. You're trying to suggest that manipulation of energies presumes superiority. It doesn't. I already listed several such scenarios: Black Alice vs Spectre, Dr. Doom vs Silver Surfer, Human Torch vs Firelord, Dr. Strange v Zom.

In each case, the former manipulated the energies of the latter. It doesn't mean squat. Because we know that taken in isolation, each of the latter characters has greater feats than the former characters. That's exactly the case with the IG and the UN. IG possibly manipulated a small limited portion of the UN's energies. It doesn't presume the IG's superiority at all. Otherwise you subscribe to the utter foolishness that Black Alice is greater than Spectre.

Well the reason I asked it because you said this:

"Controlling a small localized sphere of nullification does not somehow suggest that the IG is capable of a greater feat than the UN."

after I had already said this:

"However, I agree that just because the IG beat the UN doesn't mean it can do everything the UN can or has a higher feat than the UN which it doesn't"

Now about the discussion at hand... First, as we discussed earlier in the thread, and I believe you agreed with on this point.. The UN is greater in scale based on feats and the IG greater in scope. I think that is pretty clear and pretty fair. I have zero issue with that and never have. Second, when talking about something being superior over another often times can be very subjective. Their are many different variables that one takes into consideration in determining superiority. Examples with the two items in question....

Someone is trying to sell me both items.. He tells me the device can and has erased and reset the entire multiverse with the greatest of ease. It's able to eliminate not just things as a whole but can also eliminate specific foes, planets etc etc. It's the ultimate erasing weapon in all the universe. Cool

Then he goes.. now we have the IG... This doesn't have the high end feat of erasing and resetting the multiverse. It doesn't have the kinda of scale of power that we know of. However, it doesn't have in scale it makes up for in scope. I can control time, space, reality,souls etc etc. If you want to turn your house to gold you can. If you want to become Tiger Woods you can. As a matter a fact, in a direct conflict the IG is so versatile it didn't allow the UN at it user to erase him. In essence most of your wildest dreams can be made a reality...

Now, if somebody was choosing between the two I think it's is safe to say it would depend on which variables you used to define superior. So, to say one is superior to another is a very very subjective thing. To continue on that train of thought.. if I was selling in my gun shop.. A rocket launcher and we all know the destructive power it has. Very powerful weapon which has a pretty good size blast radius. I also have a hand-gun that not only fires but but can control the rocket launcher's energies and make it fire back on itself. This is what happened in the IG vs. UN situation. One was grander in scale with the highest multiversal feat to date. The other doesn't have said high feats but is much much more versatile. So versatile in fact, that it controlled the UN's user mind, change reality, time or take your pick. Your meaning to tell me someone could be like.. hmmm I think the handgun is superior. I think that is a very logical deduction someone could make, depending on what you like best. They could also choose the UN/RL and think it's superior however they could very well choose the IG/HG.

^ KuRupt Thanosi: Technically speaking, if you're relying on the ability for the IG to make you're most wildest dreams into reality, the UN is capable of this type of manipulation as well. For instance, the UN didn't just destroy and recreate the Marvel Multiverse (thus undoing what Abraxas had wrought), it actually gave Susan Storm her pregnancy with Valeria back. Originally, Valeria was stillborn and Franklin subconsciously preserved her form and essence in another reality. The UN isn't limited to destruction and recreation, it's also capable of manipulating that which it recreates. In essence, it's also capable of wish-fulfilment.

Regardless, I understand your reasoning for thinking the IG is esoterically "superior" based on its versatility. But I don't think the UN's versatility is as limited as you might think.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The ig never attempted said feat so you really don't have anything. The fact of the matter is the ig easily blinked out half the universe's population with a mere thought. So you don't see it being able to reset the universe?

Snap of his finger also undid his display of power which isn't anywhere near what an all out ig user was capable of. Eternity even commented that it wouldn't have brought him to his knees in a true battle.

The lt hesitated and it's common sense that to destroy an entire reality in the process of defeating someone is a threat to you.

Trying to make excuses for the casual manner in which the LT undid Warlock's temper tantrum doesn't change the fact that LT snapped his fingers, undid everything Warlock did, stated he represented forces that dwarfed the IG's might AND Warlock was completely bewildered.

The LT never hesitated. Don't project that sort of reaction onto LT. Nothing suggested the LT hesitated at all. He was never anything else but bemused, condescending, nonchalant and authoritative. The battle destroying the 616 Universe doesn't suggest that the LT was threatened either, only that the 616 Universe's safety was threatened. Don't conflate the two.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman also doesn't have the complete mastery over the aspects the ig does. Your logic is almost pitiful. Comparing the ig and what it's been seen capable of to Superman let alone blanking out half the universe with a mere thought. Wow.

A simple statement on panel stating the multiverse or a writer stating as such. You need to calm down and either back up your case or realize not everyone takes your interpretations as facts.

Asking for proof and reasoning presumes you'll accept. You've done nothing but ignore proof and engage in self-serving arguments at every turn. But such futility doesn't cure how wrong you are or condone your argumentative behavior. When you demonstrate the capacity to listen, let us know.

^ why are you still wasting your time, ODG? it's not like quanchi is going to magically change his mind regarding the fallacious bastardization(s) of the truth he has self-mentated. quite honestly, his ideals are so warped and skewed at this point that i am quite certain even he does not believe himself anymore.

i greatly commend your efforts though. 👆

if IG is that weak (universel only) why did LT step in? 🤨 yeah Warlock wuz mad...so what...at most he can only destroy a universe. big deal. like it dont happen all teh time lol

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Asking for proof and reasoning presumes you'll accept. You've done nothing but ignore proof and engage in self-serving arguments at every turn. But such futility doesn't cure how wrong you are or condone your argumentative behavior. When you demonstrate the capacity to listen, let us know.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
if IG is that weak (universel only) why did LT step in? 🤨 yeah Warlock wuz mad...so what...at most he can only destroy a universe. big deal. like it dont happen all teh time lol

Originally posted by Zeuodin
I thought the LT stepped in at the request of someone. Like one of the cosmics or something. Was it Galactus?

they CAN ask like when Eternity ask him for help when Thanos had the IG but then LT refuse

^ You're right that Living Tribunal doesn't have to be asked. But in response to your original question, Zeuodin is right. Eternity petitioned Living Tribunal again. Living Tribunal confirmed it when he asked Eternity how his current request was any different from his previous request that Thanos be stripped.

Galan007: There's always hope.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Galan007: There's always hope.

^ ^ but dint it say LT intervene becuz unlike Thanos who only wanted 1 universe, Adam wanted much more? then LT said Adams to crazy or somethin, so he stepped in

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
^ ^ but dint it say LT intervene becuz unlike Thanos who only wanted 1 universe, Adam wanted much more? then LT said Adams to crazy or somethin, so he stepped in

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't recall that but I'm not sure what that would add to this. There's no indication the IG truly posed a threat to the LT himself. And since there is but one LT in the entire Omniverse and theoretically an infinite number of IGs across the entire multiverse it means that the LT might have been simultaneously dealing with an infinite number of IG crisis. The idea that he was confident in his ability to simultaneously deal with multiple IGs says to me that the IG wasn't even close to him in terms of power.

tho there outa be infinite UNs (one for each Galactus)

Adam wuz never a threat to LT but im sure it wuz said Adam wanted a lot more then wut Thanos wanted & thats one of the reasons LT stepped in

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
where dyou get theres that many IGs? 😕 Thanos had to travel cross many realities to get the gems

tho there outa be infinite UNs (one for each Galactus)

Adam wuz never a threat to LT but im sure it wuz said Adam wanted a lot more then wut Thanos wanted & thats one of the reasons LT stepped in

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
^ ^ but dint it say LT intervene becuz unlike Thanos who only wanted 1 universe, Adam wanted much more? then LT said Adams to crazy or somethin, so he stepped in

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
where dyou get theres that many IGs? Thanos had to travel cross many realities to get the gems

tho there outa be infinite UNs (one for each Galactus)

Adam wuz never a threat to LT but im sure it wuz said Adam wanted a lot more then wut Thanos wanted & thats one of the reasons LT stepped in

There are alternate UN's as well. As evidenced by various What Ifs? and also the recent Solve Everything arc that also showed alternate IG's.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ KuRupt Thanosi: Technically speaking, if you're relying on the ability for the IG to make you're most wildest dreams into reality, the UN is capable of this type of manipulation as well. For instance, the UN didn't just destroy and recreate the Marvel Multiverse (thus undoing what Abraxas had wrought), it actually gave Susan Storm her pregnancy with Valeria back. Originally, Valeria was stillborn and Franklin subconsciously preserved her form and essence in another reality. The UN isn't limited to destruction and recreation, it's also capable of manipulating that which it recreates. In essence, it's also capable of wish-fulfilment.

Regardless, I understand your reasoning for thinking the IG is esoterically "superior" based on its versatility. But I don't think the UN's versatility is as limited as you might think. No. Since the IG never attempted said feat, you don't really have anything. Don't try to put words into my mouth. I never suggested such a thing.

Trying to make excuses for the casual manner in which the LT undid Warlock's temper tantrum doesn't change the fact that LT snapped his fingers, undid everything Warlock did, stated he represented forces that dwarfed the IG's might AND Warlock was completely bewildered.

The LT never hesitated. Don't project that sort of reaction onto LT. Nothing suggested the LT hesitated at all. He was never anything else but bemused, condescending, nonchalant and authoritative. The battle destroying the 616 Universe doesn't suggest that the LT was threatened either, only that the 616 Universe's safety was threatened. Don't conflate the two. Hear that whooshing sound? That was the point flying past your head. I used that inane comparison to reveal the stupidity of your logic since the Superman comparison is wholly based on your liberal use of a negative proof fallacy. Yes, it is stupid. Why? Because it mirrors your reasoning, not mine. Wow.

Asking for proof and reasoning presumes you'll accept. You've done nothing but ignore proof and engage in self-serving arguments at every turn. But such futility doesn't cure how wrong you are or condone your argumentative behavior. When you demonstrate the capacity to listen, let us know.

That wasn't anywhere near the level of power he could bring to the table. I guess Lt had nothing to worry about since he could undo an entire reality being destroyed, right? Because if he can undo the very best the ig can bring to the table then why can't he undo a destroyed reality in the midst of their battle.

No, I don't hear a thing because your logic is and always has been flawed here. You seem to be fixated on the un and get overly excited when discussing it. You tend to make things up and pretend they are actual facts.

The Lt did hesitate. It's right on panel. He contemplated taking the ig from him and if he could. It wasn't an immediate yes.

No, it's entirely different using superman. We have a) on panel the ig easily wiping out half the universe with a snap of a finger. b)proof that in the 616 reality save Lt's interference the ig is without a doubt supreme. c) mastery over soul, mind, space, reality, time, and pay attention to this onePower.

That means there is no limit to the power it can bring. It can summon it from anywhere as well. Hmmmmmmmm.

I guess you don't have any proof. Just learn from this and don't let me corner you like this again. It's kinda pathetic.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ why are you still wasting your time, ODG? it's not like quanchi is going to magically change his mind regarding the fallacious bastardization(s) of the truth he has self-mentated. quite honestly, his ideals are so warped and skewed at this point that i am quite certain even he does not believe himself anymore.

i greatly commend your efforts though. 👆

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then you don't know if it could or couldn't. Even by your own reasoning the distance it covers doesn't mean it's more powerful per say. I guess by your own standards since Odin can affect the multiverse then he is more powerful than the ig. Because basically that's what your logic boils down to.

That wasn't anywhere near the level of power he could bring to the table. I guess Lt had nothing to worry about since he could undo an entire reality being destroyed, right? Because if he can undo the very best the ig can bring to the table then why can't he undo a destroyed reality in the midst of their battle.

No, I don't hear a thing because your logic is and always has been flawed here. You seem to be fixated on the un and get overly excited when discussing it. You tend to make things up and pretend they are actual facts.

The Lt did hesitate. It's right on panel. He contemplated taking the ig from him and if he could. It wasn't an immediate yes.

No, it's entirely different using superman. We have a) on panel the ig easily wiping out half the universe with a snap of a finger. b)proof that in the 616 reality save Lt's interference the ig is without a doubt supreme. c) mastery over soul, mind, space, reality, time, and pay attention to this one[B]Power.

That means there is no limit to the power it can bring. It can summon it from anywhere as well. Hmmmmmmmm.

I guess you don't have any proof. Just learn from this and don't let me corner you like this again. It's kinda pathetic.

What's so warped? [/B]

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Quan stop bringing up the Odin comparison, its crap and you know it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it isn't. It completely destroys his/your argument.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Except it doesn't at all. I've already refuted your belief that Odin is in any way multiversal in the same sense that the UN is. Its not even close to an apt comparison. If effecting the multiverse in a minute and pretty much negligible manner like Odin's death did is multiversal then I'm universal because my actions cause minute effects throughout the entire universe.

There's no limit to the power the power gem can bring.